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ACE Stocks: The good apples of ACE?

Monday, June 20, 2011

The following was published on Star Biz last Saturday: The good apples of ACE

The section on Green Packet caught my attention! Oh yeah, my favourite EBITDA stock. LOL!  ( Past postings:

  • .... Green Packet
    Another ACE Market migrant is Green Packet Bhd, a mobile broadband networking solutions provider listed on the Mesdaq Market in 2005, and which transferred in July 2007.

    While still a loss-making company, group managing director (MD) and chief executive officer (CEO) Puan Chan Cheong noted in a recent media briefing that losses have narrowed year-on-year with the company on-track to achieve EBITDA or earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortisation break-even target by year-end.
Yeah it's still a loss-making company.

Oh yeah babe! The CEO had kept on repeating and repeating and repeating and repeating and repeating and repeating and repeating that Green Packet is on-track to achieve EBITA earnings before year-end. And since Feb 2008, we are still waiting for it to happen!

So is Green Pack a good apple?

Now there's only one true statement in the stock market.

A stock is a good stock if it makes money for you and the stock is a damn bad stock if you lose money!

Everything else does not matter.

Let's look at before and after Green Packet migrated to the main board.

18 July 2007 was the migration date: GPACKET-Transfer from Mesdaq Market to Main Board of Bursa Securities

Here's Green Packet chart as a MeSS-daq stock.


Look at that!

Now that's an awesome stock chart, yes?

How?

Stock is up... I guess I cannot argue much that Green Packet is not a good Green apple of ACE. (LOL! Sorry I cannot resist the pun! )

Now look at this... this is Green Packet performance since it migrated to the main board.



How then?

What kind of apple is Green Packet?

This is how Green Packet had performed since listing. The dark vertical line highlights 18 July 2007, the day Green Packet migrated to the main board.



ps: This is a good example to show that the 'migration' doesn't mean the stock would be a stock market winner. Look at Green Packet. It had crash and burned since migrating to the main board.

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And Green Packet Says The Magic Word Once More

Tuesday, May 24, 2011

Guess what article I saw on the Star Biz? Green Packet on track to achieve EBITDA target

EBITDA target again???

Quote from today's papers:



  • Green Packet Bhd is on track to achieve its EBITDA (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortisation) break-even target by this year-end, according to the group's managing director and chief executive officer Puan Chan Cheong.
New entry alert!!

LOLOLOLOL!

Flashback: (refer posting dated 17 feb 2011: Green Packet Makes More Promises.... again. )




  • Feb 2008: we expect the WiMAX business to be ebitda (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortisation ) break-even this year,"

  • May 2008: we are targeting EBITDA positive by end of next year.

  • May 2009: P1 will be EBITDA will break-even from next year.

  • Feb 2010: concurred that will be EBITDA positive in the second half of this year.

  • May 10: the company remained optimistic that it will be able to achieve an Ebitda break even

  • June 2010: Green Packet Bhd’s target to turn earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation (Ebitda) positive by year-end may be delayed to next year

  • Sep 2010: Puan added that Green Packet is maintaining that its Ebitda (earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation) will break even by the end of this year.

  • Nov 2010: "We're confident of breaking even no later than the first quarter. Ebitda (earnings before interest, tax depreciation and amortisation) turnaround is really at the corner," chief executive officer C.C. Puan said at a press conference in Petaling Jaya, Selangor, yesterday.

  • Feb 2011: defers its target of being EBITDA (earnings before interest, taxation, depreciation and amortisation) positive to end-2011.

  • May 2011: Green Packet Bhd is on track to achieve its EBITDA (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortisation) break-even target by this year-end, according to the group's managing director and chief executive officer Puan Chan Cheong.
So Green Packet announced its earnings last night.

On Feb 2011, I posted Green Packet: 12th Consecutive Quarters Of Losses, 36 Month Of Losses And ...

I shall re-use that same template. ( Lazy lah)

Some facts. (new comments in black bold)

Fact. It lost some 100.112 million for the quarter. (It lost some 37.893 million for the current quarter)

Fact. This is the 12th consecutive quarter of losses. 36 months of losses. (15th consecutive quarter of losses. 40 months of losses)

Fact. Green Packet's total losses for last 36 months equals some 439.924 million! (Green Packet's total losses for last 40 months equals some 477.817 million!)

Fact. Green Packet raised some 98 million via rights issue last Aug. 2009.

Fact, Jan 2010. Green Packet raised some 69.176 million from a share placement.

Fact, Green Packet recently raised 322.910 million from issuance of Convertible Preference Share to SK Telekoms. ( see Sep 2010 posting: Update on Green Packet )

Fact. After tonight's earnings, Green Packet said it had some 171.962 million and some 238.190 million in borrowings. (After tonight's earnings, Green Packet said it had some 90.462 million - wow! where the money went? money heaven? And borrowings soared to 367.888 million!!!!)

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Green Packet Makes More Promises.... again.

Wednesday, February 16, 2011

Despite's Green Packet's 12th Consecutive Quarters Of Losses, 36 Month Of Losses ... , Green Packet continued its promises to the local investing market.

On today's Business Times:

  • Green Packet Bhd, which recorded a revenue of RM394 million for financial year 2010, expects a 25 per cent increase this year. Its group managing director, CC Puan, said the revenue growth reflected the company's continuous efforts to expand network and market share locally and abroad.

25 per cent increase in sales revenue for current fiscal year?

Just for the record, for its fiscal year 2009, Green Packet had sales revenue of 217 million. Last night, Green Packet announced that its sales revenue soared to 394 million.

Yeah, mighty impressive growth with its sales revenue.

And what good has it done to its bottom line?

Nothing!

Can someome ask Green Packet what is their losses after tax this fiscal year????

And it continued to burn money drastically again despite of its 322 million Convertible Preference Share issuance to SK Telekom.

On Star Business: P1 confident of 450,000 subscribers

  • Thus, it is also deferring its target of being EBITDA (earnings before interest, taxation, depreciation and amortisation) positive to end-2011, as it focuses to aggressively acquire nomadic customers from the mobile broadband segment.
    The nomadic segment refers to the mobile broadband services. Prior to this, P1 was focused on capturing market share from the fixed broadband segment.
    Previously, Green Packet had mentioned that it would be EBITDA positive in the first quarter of its financial year ending Dec 31, 2011.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

This is getting seriously embarrassing!

Why continue make such empty promise when you can't deliver?

Let me add this new entry to the list of promises made previously. From the posting Green Packet: 11th Consecutive Quarters Of Losses, 33 Months Of Losses And....

  • Feb 2008: we expect the WiMAX business to be ebitda (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortisation ) break-even this year,"
  • May 2008: we are targeting EBITDA positive by end of next year.
  • May 2009: P1 will be EBITDA will break-even from next year.
  • Feb 2010: concurred that will be EBITDA positive in the second half of this year.
  • May 10: the company remained optimistic that it will be able to achieve an Ebitda break even
  • June 2010: Green Packet Bhd’s target to turn earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation (Ebitda) positive by year-end may be delayed to next year
  • Sep 2010: Puan added that Green Packet is maintaining that its Ebitda (earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation) will break even by the end of this year.
  • Nov 2010: "We're confident of breaking even no later than the first quarter. Ebitda (earnings before interest, tax depreciation and amortisation) turnaround is really at the corner," chief executive officer C.C. Puan said at a press conference in Petaling Jaya, Selangor, yesterday.
  • Feb 2011: defers its target of being EBITDA (earnings before interest, taxation, depreciation and amortisation) positive to end-2011.

Yeah.. Nov 2010: "We're confident of breaking even no later than the first quarter. Ebitda (earnings before interest, tax depreciation and amortisation) turnaround is really at the corner," chief executive officer C.C. Puan said at a press conference

Seriously eh?

Talk is really cheap with such abundance of supply!

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Green Packet: 12th Consecutive Quarters Of Losses, 36 Month Of Losses And ...

Green Packet announced its earnings tonight.

Some facts.

Fact. It lost some 100.112 million for the quarter.

Fact. This is the 12th consecutive quarter of losses. 36 month of losses.

Fact
. Green Packet's total losses for last 36 months equals some 439.924 million!

Fact.
Green Packet raised some 98 million via rights issue last Aug. 2009.

Fact, Jan 2010. Green Packet raised some 69.176 million from a share placement.

Fact, Green Packet recently raised 322.910 million from issuance of Convertible Preference Share to SK Telekoms. ( see Sep 2010 posting: Update on Green Packet )

Fact. After tonight's earnings, Green Packet said it had some 171.962 million and some 238.190 million in borrowings.

Compare these facts to the posting made on Nov 2010: Green Packet: 11th Consecutive Quarters Of Losses, 33 Months Of Losses And....

.......

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Green Packet Downgraded From 1.40 To 0.80

Wednesday, February 2, 2011

On the Edge: HDBSVR downgrades Green Packet to Hold, cuts TP to 80c from RM1.40

  • HDBSVR downgrades Green Packet to Hold, cuts TP to 80c from RM1.40
    Written by theedgemalaysia.com
    Wednesday, 02 February 2011 09:25

    KUALA LUMPUR: Hwang DBS Vickers Research said the recovery for Green Packet has been delayed and it expects weak 4Q2010 results.

    The research house said on Wednesday, Feb 2 it had slashed the earnings before interest, tax and amortisation (EBITDA) for Green Packet by 56% to 78%.

    “Higher sales and marketing costs and declining average revenue per user could postpone EBITDA turnaround to later this year. Downgrade to Hold, TP cut to 80 sen (from RM1.40) based on sume of the parts,” said Hwang DBS Vickers Research.

Err..

This is yet another great mystery for me.

The target price is SLASHED from 1.40 to 0.80.

Ahem.... that's a target revision of close to 43%!!!

Revised down 'so little' and the recommendation is HOLD????


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More Chat On Green Packet

Wednesday, November 17, 2010

  • A Better PJ said...

    Fair reply Moolah. my take...

    Customer Acquisition Rates...
    I also notice that these slowed in the middle of the year which they explained as a result of reducing there A&P while they sorted out their network capacity issues.

    In their own announcements they are targeting the 280,000 during Q4 of 2010 on the back of a new A&P campaign...but you're right, its a tall order. However as you point out they have achieved 43,000 in a single quarter last year, on a much smaller/weaker network.

    The EBITDA Thingee...
    A critical measurement for investors, especially for a start up company, is to see whether an operation has the ability to generate cash. If it has you have many more options available for funding business expansion.

    Capital Expenditure, RM 534m and rising...
    that's what it takes these days...as a minimum. YTL have projected a capex of 2.5bn, it will take that for each of the mobile telcos to upgrade to a comparable 4G LTE.

    Institutional investors will take in interest in this stock after 1 or 2 profitable (EBITDA) quarters, at which time trading volumes and price would shift substntially.

    The opportunity for the private investor is to take a view on if/when this would happen and to get in just ahead of the institutions and to make that assessment you would need to be tracking the key numbers of EBITDA, revenue, ARPU and churn.

    You would also need to take a view on how it differentiates from the other wireless broadband competitors and whether the product range, packages and promotions can deliver their targets.

    That's why I would take a close look at their model, their strategy for differentiation and growth, and their management team, to see if there is an opportunity for a discounted investment

Some second opinion from me. I could be wrong, so do take your dose of garam.

  • Customer Acquisition Rates...

    I also notice that these slowed in the middle of the year which they explained as a result of reducing there A&P while they sorted out their network capacity issues. In their own announcements they are targeting the 280,000 during Q4 of 2010 on the back of a new A&P campaign...but you're right, its a tall order. However as you point out they have achieved 43,000 in a single quarter last year, on a much smaller/weaker network.

Let's consider the 43,00 new subscribers issue.

As you have pointed out, 43,000 new subscribers were added during a much smaller/weaker network. Now I assume that you are suggesting that now things are different and I would assume that Green Packet's P1 'had' improved to a 'bigger/stronger' network. I hope this is a fair assumption. But if this is the case, why the rather drastic slowdown in new subscribers growth rate? Remember it went from 43,000 new subscribers in 4Q09, 35,000 new subscribers in 1Q10, 21,000 new subscribers in 2Q10 and 22,000 new subscribers in 3Q10. I would be wrong but since if the network is bigger and stronger, than naturally P1 would be getting more subscribers?

Food for thought: Almost a year ago, Nov 2009, I posted the following: P1 Wimax: Honey Have You Cut It? Part II. I made the following exercise:

  • Ever tried google the phrase 'wimax problems' and limit your search to pages from Malaysia? (try this google search link: here )

Just now, I tried a new search. I search for 'p1 wimax problems 2010' or http://www.google.com.my/search?hl=en&q=p1+wimax+problem+2010&aq=3&aqi=g2&aql=&oq=p1+wimax+prob&gs_rfai=

Some 2010 posts of interests.

And the EBITDA.

  • The EBITDA Thingee...
    A critical measurement for investors, especially for a start up company, is to see whether an operation has the ability to generate cash. If it has you have many more options available for funding business expansion.

A crticial measurement? I am sorry but perhaps I am a lousy investor because what I feel is even more critical is the BOTTOM line. The moola. Yes, show me the money. End of the day, is the profit that counts and not the measurements. And what is more critical the I-T-D-A in that formula is a reality. The INTEREST is real. TAXES are real. DEPRECIATION and AMORTISATION of assets/plants/machinery are real. End of the day, these items matters to the investor. The profit is what's most important, for me. And yes, I beg to differ but it's rather pointless to talk about EBITDA. Not for me. And if anyone disagrees, well I would more likely to step back and say I am flawed. That's my opinion. Yeah, and it's not an important one, since many would be quick to point out there are many ways to make money in the stock markets.

Anyway, since you talked about the ability to generate cash, now that's an interesting issue.

Sep 2009, the following was posted: Would You Want To Invest In Green Packet?

  • As per Green Packet's report, it had 242.467 million then and no debts!
    A company which was flushed with cash.
    All 242 million! And this was for financial period ending 31/12/2007.

That was before Green Packet decided to dive into Wimax.

Now I would not use current Green Packet's earnings as a comparison because it's cash was boosted by SK Telekom 322 million Convertible Preference Share exercise. Instead I would use the numbers posted in Aug 2010.

And during this period...

  • Aug 2009. Green Packet raised some 98 million via rights issue.
  • Jan 2010. Green Packet raised some 69.176 million from a share placement.

So from a company that had cash of 242.467 million for the period ending 31/12/2007, the company turned into a company having 102.800 million cash and some 264.214 million by Aug 2010. And the company raised some 167.176 from corporate exercises like rights issue and share placement.

Well I might be wrong again but I just don't see how and where Green Packet was generating any cash at all.

  • Capital Expenditure, RM 534m and rising...
    that's what it takes these days...as a minimum...

And that's exactly the point.

The capital expenditure is simply mind boggling. And yes, I was shocked to read that another 40 million is said to be spend on advertising and promotion according to the Business Times article the other day.

So the simple question I would ask is if this Wimax business is even viable? Spending millions and millions to achieve how much profit?

I take a look at some of the big names.

Do they even have profits?

Perhaps one day Green Packet could make money. Yeah, never say never. :=).

However, the thing I would ask again is if the money made could ever justify all the money spent?

ps: If I am a potential investor, I would ask myself a simple question. Why insist on this one?

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Replies: A More Balanced View On Green Packet

Tuesday, November 16, 2010

Got the following set of comments from the posting: Green Packet: 11th Consecutive Quarters Of Losses, 33 Months Of Losses And....

  • A Better PJ said...
    For an infrastructure business GP are doing pretty well with some positive trends on EBITDA, revenues and very importantly customer churn rates of below 5% (below telco sector average) and P1 subscriptions growing by over 20,000 per quarter...without much A&P.

    All of this indicates good progress on service delivery, customer satisfaction and financials.

    Ebitda is validly a more relevant measurement of operational performance for a business in its infrastructure development phase because it indicates more accurately a business's ability to generate cash.

    Real success measurement for a mature broadband/telco p[layer would be the combination of market share (subscribers), churn (satisfaction levels), ARPU (customer value).

    P1 4G has maintained very impressive ARPU (RM 81) and churn (4%) particularly for a start up....so the tipping point will arrive when it reaches a critical mass of subscribers....as indicated by the ebitda positive target of 280,000 subscribers.

    I hope this will help with to balance the impression given by your article(s).

Many thanks for your valued comments and I certainly am more than happy to publish your comments for all to read.

Just a brief comment on the EBITDA thingee. I am sure you are aware that I had been blogging on Green Packet for a long time now. See the label for the rest of the postings. The point is Green Packet had been saying and saying and saying EBITDA positive since Feb 2008. It's now Nov 2010. Now of course, I am more than wrong, but if I were given a choice to make a feedback, I would dearly hope to see the management focus MORE on the company's performance than continuous shouts to the investing public that they are going to be EBITDA positive by such and such a date. To my flawed eyes, they are like desperately trying to sell their company. I would have preferred them to show more and talk less. That's my flawed view.

Now Green Packet had been stressing out loud they can be profitable IF they hit that 280,000 subscribers.

Now I am confused.

Seriously.

Let me use the following article dated Sep 2010, as a point of reference (I do hope the article data is correct): Green Packet: Stepping up subscriber acquisition. The following statement from it.

  • The acquisition of new subscribers slowed to 35,000 in 1Q10, after hitting a high of 43,000 in 4Q09, and declined further to 21,000 in 2Q10. This was partly attributed to the company’s move to focus on enhancing its network quality — including additional capacity for congested sites — and customer service in the last few months.

43,000 in 4Q09, 35,000 in 1Q10 and 21,000 in 2Q10.

Now that's a declining rate, yes?

In 2Q10, Green Packet said it has 196,000 subscribers. ( source: here ) On today's Star Biz article, GPacket aims to double revenue to RM400m, Green Packet said it has 218,000 subscribers. An addition of just 22,000.

Which means 43,000 new subscribers in 4Q09, 35,000 new subscribers in 1Q10, 21,000 new subscribers in 2Q10 and 22,000 new subscribers in 3Q10.

And Green Packet's target is 280,000 by the next 2 quarters.

Well, I am confused and I am asking myself if the 4 most recent quarters of new subscribers growth suggest that the target of 280,000 is possible?

How?

Well I guess it won't be a big deal because all Green Packet has to do is come out and say their target is delayed by another quarter or two.

And then on the Edge Financial Daily: Green Packet on track to be profitable by 1Q

  • Over the years, Green Packet has already incurred RM534 million in capital expenditure

WOW!

Over rm 534 million spent. Another 40 million is said to be spend on advertising and promotion according to the Business Times article this morning.

Huge numbers eh?

And if and when Green Packet achieves being profitable, I wonder when if they will ever recuperate their cost of investment.

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Green Packet: 11th Consecutive Quarters Of Losses, 33 Months Of Losses And....

Monday, November 15, 2010

Green Packet had been making huge promises over the past couple of years. Here's the summary of remarks made.

  • Feb 2008: we expect the WiMAX business to be ebitda (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortisation ) break-even this year,"
  • May 2008: we are targeting EBITDA positive by end of next year.
  • May 2009: P1 will be EBITDA will break-even from next year.
  • Feb 2010: concurred that will be EBITDA positive in the second half of this year.
  • May 10: the company remained optimistic that it will be able to achieve an Ebitda break even
  • June 2010: Green Packet Bhd’s target to turn earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation (Ebitda) positive by year-end may be delayed to next year
  • Sep 2010: Puan added that Green Packet is maintaining that its Ebitda (earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation) will break even by the end of this year.

It's now Nov 2010.

Green Packet announced its earnings last night. Any EBITDA positive? Nope. ( Yeah, it's so incredible that it's now 2010 and Green Packet still talks about EBIDTA! )

Here's the facts. I will update the list. The numbers in blue represents the current data and strike out represents the past 'facts'.

Fact. It lost some 44 million 35.9 million 28.912 million for the quarter.

Fact. This is the 9th 10th 11th consecutive quarter of losses. 33 month of losses,

Fact
. Green Packet's total losses for last 27 30 33 months equals some 275 310.9 339.812 million!

Fact.
Green Packet raised some 98 million via rights issue last Aug. 2009.

Fact, Jan 2010. Green Packet raised some 69.176 million from a share placement.

Fact, Green Packet recently raised 322.910 million from issuance of Convertible Preference Share to SK Telekoms. ( see Sep 2010 posting: Update on Green Packet )

Fact. After tonight's earnings, Green Packet said it had some 111.699 102.800 280.756 million cash and some 256.376 264.214 237.010 million in borrowings.

Yeah, thanks to the convertible preference shares, Green Packet balance sheet improved.

So how?

11th consecutive quarters of losses, 33 months of losses!

Well... the following is what Green Packet has to say on Business Times.

  • Green Packet posts Q3 net loss but sees turnaround

    By Rupinder Singh Published: 2010/11/16

    BROADBAND service provider Green Packet Bhd (0082) posted a third quarter net loss of RM28.9 million but maintained that it will turn an operating profit in the fourth quarter or the first quarter of 2011.

    "We're confident of breaking even no later than the first quarter. Ebitda (earnings before interest, tax depreciation and amortisation) turnaround is really at the corner," chief executive officer C.C. Puan said at a press conference in Petaling Jaya, Selangor, yesterday.

    To meet the target, it aims to hit 280,000 subscribers and deliver up to 500,000 modems or WiMAX CPE (Customer Premise Equipments) by the end of this year.

    "The group is in very good shape. Ebitda margin continues to improve by the quarter with a 9 per cent improvement from the second quarter of 2010. We are closing in on our target of 280,000 subscribers and we have secured orders for everything our supply chain can deliver for the Solutions business," Puan said.

    Green Packet has put aside RM40 million for advertising and promotion activities this year and will add another 15 per cent for 2011.

    As at September 30, Green Packet's capital expenditure incurred stood at RM534 million.

    It would spend another RM500 million in the next two years to increase its broadband coverage to 65 per cent of the country.

    Its third quarter losses pushes its nine month cumulative losses to RM109.5 million.

    Green Packet said its operating expenses had risen to RM129.7 million in the third quarter from RM94.1 million a year earlier, mainly due to its planned investment to deploy fourth generation services.

    Revenue jumped 60 per cent in the third quarter to RM100.8 million, mainly due to more subscribers for the broadband business, new customers for the solution business and better revenue from the international wholesale voice business

OMG!

OMG! OMG! OMG!

PLEASE tell me that I am reading it wrongly!!!!!!

  • "We're confident of breaking even no later than the first quarter. Ebitda (earnings before interest, tax depreciation and amortisation) turnaround is really at the corner," chief executive officer C.C. Puan said at a press conference in Petaling Jaya, Selangor, yesterday.

SeriouslYYYYY!

What's the point of making such statements and then continously fail to deliver????

Yeah... let me update and repeat right here again....

  • Feb 2008: we expect the WiMAX business to be ebitda (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortisation ) break-even this year,"
  • May 2008: we are targeting EBITDA positive by end of next year.
  • May 2009: P1 will be EBITDA will break-even from next year.
  • Feb 2010: concurred that will be EBITDA positive in the second half of this year.
  • May 10: the company remained optimistic that it will be able to achieve an Ebitda break even
  • June 2010: Green Packet Bhd’s target to turn earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation (Ebitda) positive by year-end may be delayed to next year
  • Sep 2010: Puan added that Green Packet is maintaining that its Ebitda (earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation) will break even by the end of this year.
  • Nov 2010: "We're confident of breaking even no later than the first quarter. Ebitda (earnings before interest, tax depreciation and amortisation) turnaround is really at the corner," chief executive officer C.C. Puan said

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Update on Green Packet

Thursday, September 23, 2010

Blogged on 17 Aug 2010: Green Packet Announces 10th Consecutive Quarter Of Losses!

I asked one question which needed to be answered: 'At this rate, got enough cash ah?

Let me reproduce what was written:

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Green Packet announced its earnings last night and as expected, the earnings were horrible.

How should I put everything into perspective? Well, on 13th May 2010, I wrote the following posting: Oh Yeah, Green Packet Lost Less Money. I list out a list of facts. I reckon it's best I update the list of facts.

I will update the list and use red to strike out the past 'facts'.

Fact. It lost some 44 million 35.9 million for the quarter.

Fact. This is the 9th 10th consecutive quarter of losses. 30 month of losses,

Fact. Green Packet's total losses for last 27 30 months equals some 275 310.9 million!

Fact. Green Packet raised some 98 million via rights issue last Aug. 2009.

Fact, Jan 2010. Green Packet raised some 69.176 million from a share placement.

Fact. After the rights issue, the following quarter, November 2009, Green Packet said it had some 174 million cash and some 209 million in borrowings.

Fact. After tonight's earnings, or 6 9 months later, Green Packet said it had some 111.699 102.800 million cash and some 256.376 264.214 million in borrowings.

Fact, Nov 2009, Green Packet had 68,691 in trade payables. In Feb 2010, trade payables grew to 159.192 million. Today payables total some 188 200.870 million. (Why so much payables nowadays? Who is Green Packet not paying? )

So how?

Green Packet owes its bankers more money, yes? It's debts had increased.

It has less money, despite the rights issue and placement of shares.

So is less cash and more debt good?

At this rate, got enough cash ah?

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I forgot all about P1's deal with SK Telekom.

GREEN PACKET BERHAD ("GPB" OR "THE COMPANY") PROPOSED ISSUANCE OF 979,474 CLASS C ISLAMIC IRREDEEMABLE CONVERTIBLE PREFERENCE SHARES OF RM0.10 EACH (“CLASS C ICPS-i”) IN PACKET ONE NETWORKS (MALAYSIA) SDN BHD TO SK TELECOM CO., LTD. FOR A TOTAL CASH CONSIDERATION OF RM322.91 MILLION (EQUIVALENT TO USD100 MILLION) (“PROPOSED ISSUANCE”)

Yeah.. many thanks to SK Telekom, Green Packet does have extra 322 million to burn.

ps: This posting is merely to state the facts yo!

Seriously? I do not make postings with any hidden intent.

Wait... here's my disclaimer again.

Disclaimer
1. I am a nobody.
2. I am not responsible for anyone's investments.
3. I am not a sotong. :D
4. I am certainly not an independent investment advisor.
5. Since I am not an in dependant investment advisor, I cannot guarantee that you should lose money.
6. Most important, I find no motivation to talk about stock price movements. Yeah, I do not indulge in guessing what a stock price will or will not do. So please spare me all the chats that you think this stock will go down by so much or this stock will soar by so much.

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Article On Green Packet

Monday, August 16, 2010

I was reading Star Business version on Green Packet's losses: Aggressive broadband rollout pulls Green Packet deeper in red


  • .... At a press conference yesterday, group managing director and chief executive officer C.C. Puan maintained that the company’s earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation (EBITDA) would turn positive by the first quarter of next year.

    “We’re confident of breaking even no later than the first quarter. We’re looking at full turnaround next year in terms of both EBITDA and profitability,” he said.

    Puan added that P1 had been in operations for under two years and breaking even within that time period for a telco was unheard of.

    “P1 is less than two years old. It is unprecedented for a telco to break even within two years in this country. Other telcos such as DiGi and Celcom took longer.”

    As at June 30, Green Packet had a net debt of RM99.18mil. Its capital expenditure incurred stood at RM517mil. Puan said the company would allocate RM500mil in capital expenditure for the next two years to increase its broadband coverage to 65% of the country.

    For the period ended June 30, its cash and cash equivalents stood at RM103mil while its debts totalled RM158.91mil.

Debts totalled 158.91 million????

Here's the section taken from Green Packet's earnings.

GPB - Unaudited Results Q2 2010.pdf

See page 11:






The balance sheet, page 2.



I am baffled.

Isn't guaranteed redeemable convertible exchangeable bonds a form of debt security? And isn't a debt security a form of debt?

Isn't hire purchase and finance lease liabilities another form of debt?

So bank borrowings only 158.91 million?

huh?

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Green Packet Announces 10th Consecutive Quarter Of Losses!

Green Packet announced its earnings last night and as expected, the earnings were horrible.

How should I put everything into perspective? Well, on 13th May 2010, I wrote the following posting: Oh Yeah, Green Packet Lost Less Money. I list out a list of facts. I reckon it's best I update the list of facts.

I will update the list and use red to strike out the past 'facts'.

Fact. It lost some 44 million 35.9 million for the quarter.

Fact. This is the 9th 10th consecutive quarter of losses. 30 month of losses,

Fact. Green Packet's total losses for last 27 30 months equals some 275 310.9 million!

Fact. Green Packet raised some 98 million via rights issue last Aug. 2009.

Fact, Jan 2010. Green Packet raised some 69.176 million from a share placement.

Fact. After the rights issue, the following quarter, November 2009, Green Packet said it had some 174 million cash and some 209 million in borrowings.

Fact. After tonight's earnings, or 6 9 months later, Green Packet said it had some 111.699 102.800 million cash and some 256.376 264.214 million in borrowings.

Fact, Nov 2009, Green Packet had 68,691 in trade payables. In Feb 2010, trade payables grew to 159.192 million. Today payables total some 188 200.870 million. (Why so much payables nowadays? Who is Green Packet not paying? )

So how?

Green Packet owes its bankers more money, yes? It's debts had increased.

It has less money, despite the rights issue and placement of shares.

So is less cash and more debt good?

At this rate, got enough cash ah?

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Incredible eh?

On today's Business Times: Green Packet to spend RM150m more on network


  • ... This year, we've allocated RM250 million in capital expenditure for network upgrade. So far, we've spent RM100 million in the first half of the year," he told reporters at a briefing in Petaling Jaya yesterday.

    "We have the resources to fund these investments. Our partner SK Telecom has committed a certain amount and there is RM500 million from our vendor ZTE (Malaysia) Corp Sdn Bhd," Puan said, in response to a query if the group has enough money to carry on with its pledge to invest RM1 billion in infrastructure upgrade.

    In its filing to Bursa Malaysia yesterday, Green Packet saw its second quarter net loss expand to RM35.64 million from RM27.87 million a year ago.

    "The higher losses were mainly attributed to higher amortisation and depreciation cost in relation to aggressive rollout of broadband infrastructure," Puan said.

    He remained hopeful of achieving an Ebitda (earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation) break-even by the end of this year....

LOL!

Only in Bursa Malaysia where a company can lose money for 30 months, 10 consecutive quarters of losses and have the boss continues to talk and talk..

  • "We have the resources to fund these investments..

LOL! At the rate the cash is burned, despite the rights issues, the placements, the boss is saying they got enough resources... let's wait and see. :D

  • "The higher losses were mainly attributed to higher amortisation and depreciation cost in relation to aggressive rollout of broadband infrastructure," , Puan said.

Hello Puan, the investing public do read the cash flow statements... sometimes.

Here's your cash flow statement from your earnings report posted last night.

Let's see for the current fiscal year 2010... so far the depreciation and amortisation would total some 27.542 million.

Of course compared to previous year, it's crystal clear that the depreciation and amortisation cost is much higher.

BUT....... EVEN if we minus out this figure (27.542 million) from 2010's first 6 months operating loss of 77.165 million, we would get an operating loss of 49.623 million.

Last year? Green Packet same period had an operating loss of only 44.8 million ( and mind you this included depreciation and amortisation worth some 6.062 million)

So was Green Packet's higher losses were mainly attributed to higher amortisation and depreciation cost, as claimed by Puan?????

And oh yeah, Puan again claimed...

  • He remained hopeful of achieving an Ebitda (earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation) break-even by the end of this year....

I simply love the EBITDA break-even!

LOL! LOL!

As per the posting, Ooops! Green Packet Now Says... let me keep track again..

  • Feb 2008: we expect the WiMAX business to be ebitda (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortisation ) break-even this year,"
  • May 2008: we are targeting EBITDA positive by end of next year.
  • May 2009, P1 will be EBITDA will break-even from next year.
  • Feb 2010, concurred that will be EBITDA positive in the second half of this year.
  • May 10 the company remained optimistic that it will be able to achieve an Ebitda break even
  • June 2010, Green Packet Bhd’s target to turn earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation (Ebitda) positive by year-end may be delayed to next year
  • Aug 2010, hopeful of achieving an Ebitda (earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation) break-even by the end of this year.

ps: some can really, really talk ... :P

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Ooops! Green Packet Now Says...

Friday, July 2, 2010

Another superb weekend Saturday entertainment article on Green Packet.

Firstly, I just blogged on the Wednesday,
Green Packet Boss Keeps Saying EBITDA Positive... But...

In summary:

  • Feb 2008: we expect the WiMAX business to be ebitda (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortisation ) break-even this year,"
  • May 2008: we are targeting EBITDA positive by end of next year.
  • May 2009, P1 will be EBITDA will break-even from next year.
  • Feb 2010, concurred that will be EBITDA positive in the second half of this year.
  • May 10 the company remained optimistic that it will be able to achieve an Ebitda break even
  • June 2010, Green Packet Bhd’s target to turn earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation (Ebitda) positive by year-end may be delayed to next year

And the very latest, on today's business times..

  • For this year, its capex will be some RM250 million. It has already spent RM100 million on upgrading network and expanding coverage in the first half of the year.

    Puan added that Green Packet is maintaining that its Ebitda (earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation) will break even by the end of this year
    .

    "Our target remains the same but SK Telecom has expressed a few strategies it may want us to look into which include being more aggressive in our coverage expansion, advertising and promotion and ensuring the customer's experience," he said.

    These considerations will require further investments, which in turn raises operating expenditure that could have an impact on its Ebitda.

    "We are currently consulting with our new shareholder and will share the new plan once it is firmed up within the next three to six months. They may want us to be a little more long-term in our plan to have a better market penetration instead of focusing on the financial," he said.

    However, he re-affirmed that the company will reduce its (net) losses and negative Ebidta as it improves on a quarter-on-quarter basis.

    Read more: Green Packet eyes region
    here

Ooopsie daisy me!!!

The boss has now changed the tune again. From 'delayed to next year', it's now will break even by the end of this year.

ROFLMAO!

He just cannot be serious!

ps: Capex this year 250 million! I thought it was supposed to be 300 million!!! ( see P1 Wimax: Honey Have You Cut It?)

ps: before this year, Green Packet had already spend some 300 million in capex.

ps/ps: where is my calculator.

ps/ps/ps: I wonder if I can count/estimate the return of investment.

ps/ps/ps/ps: some can really, really talk ...

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Green Packet Boss Keeps Saying EBITDA Positive... But...

Tuesday, June 29, 2010

I always like to gauge a CEO or MD by what they say in the press.

For example, let's take the case of Green Packet.

On today's Edge Financial Daily:
Green Packet’s target to be Ebitda positive may be delayed


  • Green Packet Bhd’s target to turn earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation (Ebitda) positive by year-end may be delayed to next year following South Korea’s SK Telecom buying a 25.8% stake in its subsidiary and WiMAX arm, Packet One Networks (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd (P1), for US$100 million (RM325 million).

    We were targeting for Ebitda to break even and turn positive by end of 2010, but after discussions with our new partner (SK Telecom), we are going to be more aggressive this year in expanding our network, advertising and gaining subscriber base,” said Green Packet group managing director C C Puan after the signing ceremony to seal the alliance between P1 and SK Telecom here yesterday.P1 CEO Michael Lai said the new target was also dependent on the subscribers gained and the average revenue per user (ARPU) by next year.

Firstly, it's strange to see current day MD and CEO talks about EBITDA.

Comeon... what's good is the earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation (Ebitda) to the minority shareholder?

Common sense question? What about tax? Tax no need to pay? Depreciation and amortisation is not required?

Comeon.. no need twist and turn and no need to insult the minority shareholder's intelligence. Just tell us the net earnings. Yeah, where is ze moola? Just show us the moola!!!

That's all the minority shareholders is interested in.

And EBITDA positive. So that's their plan.

Anyway... let's indulge with this six letter word and let's put away ze brains for a moment and pretend and yeah, let's imagine that EBITDA is the holy grail and it is so, so so important. Ok?

Anyway what do we have? Iin today's news article, Green Packet says their plans to be EBITDA positive has to be postpone to next year.

Let's travel back to time. Hehe.. back to the past. :P

Feb 2008. Green Packet aims to regain sales momentum after weaker year

  • Managing director Puan Chan Cheong said that in terms of profitability, the company's solution business ought to contribute "good double-digit" net profit growth this year, while its WiMAX business will still be in "investment mode".

    "Nevertheless, we expect the WiMAX business to be ebitda (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortisation ) break-even this year," he told the media in Kuala Lumpur yesterday.

That was the promise made in Feb 2008. Star Business carried an even more bolder version: Green Packet sees 100% growth in revenue this year

  • KUALA LUMPUR: Green Packet Bhd, which reported 24% higher revenue of RM122.84mil for the year ended Dec 31 (FY07), expects a 100% growth in revenue this year as its diversification plans start to bear fruit. Group managing director and chief executive officer Puan Chan Cheong was confident of the “achievable” target, as the company had diversified its markets to cushion the impact of a slowdown in any one region.

ps: He was talking about REVENUE growth and not earnings growth.. :P

May 2008: WiMAX major earner for Green Packet

  • “For all three phases, we will require funding of about RM700mil. Once the network is commercialised, we are targeting to reach EBITDA positive by the end of next year,'' said Puan.

May 2008: EBITDA positive by end of next year.

7 Feb 2009: Green Packet set for a comeback

  • Despite the heavy capital expenditure required for the rollout of WiMAX, Puan expects earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation (EBITDA) of Green Packet’s service pillar to turn positive by year-end.

Feb 2009: EBITDA positive by year end.

May 2009, Green Packer losses increased by SEVEN FOLDS!

On Business Times. Green Packet Q1 loss widens on broadband rollout cost

  • GREEN Packet Bhd, a company that develops telecommunication solutions and offers wireless broadband services, said its first- quarter net loss widened more than sevenfold despite higher revenue, due to the cost of rolling out its wireless broadband services.

Yeah.. see how pointless it is to talk about REVENUE growth! What's good is it to have higher revenue growth when the losses widens more?

  • "By the end of this year, P1 would be Ebitda (earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation) break-even and will be cashflow positive from next year," said Puan

Aha... May 2009, boss said EBITDA will break-even from next year.

Ahem.. EBITDA will break even from next year.

12 Feb 2010: GPacket Q4 loss up on higher cost

  • Puan concurred that the group could return to positive EBITDA in the second half of this year.This would be achieved through additional customers for its international devices as well as connection management solutions business, besides more than doubling its WiMAX current network infrastructure and subsciber base this year.Green Packet expects to spend RM250mil to double network sites from 650 currently.Its subscriber base is also expected to more than double by the year-end from 140,000 as at the fourth quarter of last year.

12 Feb 2010, EBITDA positive in the second half of this year.

And recently, May 14th. Green Packet believes worst is behind it

  • Although the firm's first quarter net loss expanded to RM44 million, from RM22 million in the same period last year, the company remained optimistic that it will be able to achieve an Ebitda (earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and ammortisation) break even by the end of this year.For the first quarter ended March 31 this year, it posted a narrower Ebitda loss of RM29.8 million, an improvement from a loss of RM56.2 million in the fourth quarter of last year."These are planned losses, as we need to invest heavily to roll out our broadband coverage. In the second quarter of 2010, we expect (Ebitda) losses to be narrower, and by the end of this year, we will break even," said group chief executive officer Puan Chan Cheong after its media briefing in Petaling Jaya yesterday.Puan attributed the improvements in remaining quarters to its growing broadband subscriber base, as well as expansion in coverage.

May 2010, still say EBITDA positive by end of the year.

Now 30 June 2010. The EBITDA plan is delayed to next year!

How?

And in the meantime, since not EBITDA positive, the losses keeps coming for Green Packet!

So how exactly would you gauge the boss?

And do you want to hear him utter this six letter word... E-B-I-T-D-A again????

Seriously, don't you think it's much better that the company just deliver the result than to make such statements to the investing public?

Doncha?

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Review Of Green Packet Earnings Again

Thursday, May 13, 2010

Hmm... I saw OSK report on Green Packet. (ps: I posted this last night: Oh Yeah, Green Packet Lost Less Money )

OMIGOSH!

They actually said less losses is good!

Hey, it's only 44 million.

And hey, Green Packet only lost some 275 million for the last 27 months!

Maybe the 275 million has gone to the LOST MONEY HEAVEN... never to be seen again.


From OSK...

  • Green Packet’s (GP) 1QFY10 EBITDA losses were down a hefty 52.9% q-o-q to RM29.8m on lower CPE and direct costs, supported by steady ARPU. The results were within expectations, meeting 97.1% of our quarterly EBITDA forecast on robust net adds for its fledging WiMAX broadband service while ARPUs remained stable amidst the competitive environment. Maintain BUY. Its key re-rating catalysts include better earnings visibility over the next few quarters as subscriber acquisitions pick up steam on coverage expansion and as CPE sales gain traction in tandem with expanding global WiMAX deployments.
Yessir.. we are supposed to be over the moon (hey, the cow did jumped over the moon, yes?) that Green Packet losses were down a HEFTY 52.9%!!!!!!!!!!!

Praise the BOSS of Green Packet for the wonderful job.

Yeah.. give it the BUY rating too, eh?

Here's the snap shot...



Then I realise it..

Hey I got it... silly billy me...

  • Important disclaimer: Green Packet is a 16.2%- owned investee company of OSK Ventures International.

But my silly mind just cannot comprehend this.

I have nothing against OSKVI owning 16.2% of Green Packet. Good for them that they think is ok that Green Packet has lost so much money for the past 27 months. However, what I cannot understand is that since OSK Research understand about the vested interest issue, why on earth does OSK Research wants to make a coverage on this stock?

So many listed stock in the KLSE, why insist on covering Green Packet and in the meantime, giving it a BUY rating?

Why la?

Meanwhile..

  • “The losses are ‘technical, planned’ losses,” group managing director and chief executive officer CC Puan told a media briefing yesterday.“We are sacrificing short-term profits for long-term gains,” - source: see P1 Wimax: Honey Have You Cut It? Part II

yeah, they only sacrificed to the LOST MONEY HEAVEN a tidy small sum of 275 million so far.

Feb 2010:

EBITDA positive. LOL! It's now 2010.. and this fella wants to use the DOT come scientific term of EBITDA?

Hey, babe, taxes is real. So is depreciation and amortisation.

Today's Business Times..

I think the Boss played the tape recorder..

  • "These are planned losses, as we need to invest heavily to roll out our broadband coverage. In the second quarter of 2010, we expect (Ebitda) losses to be narrower, and by the end of this year, we will break even," said group chief executive officer Puan Chan Cheong after its media briefing in Petaling Jaya yesterday. Read more: Green Packet believes worst is behind it

Break even by end of the year.

That's fair.

Hmm.. but what about all those 'planned losses'????

Right now is 275 million ringgit babe.

When will Green Packet able to make back these money?

Will it?

I dunno.

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Oh Yeah, Green Packet Lost Less Money

How could I NOT write about Green Packet?

Green Packet announced its earnings tonight.


Fact. It lost some 44 million for the quarter.

Fact. This is the 9th consecutive quarter of losses. 27 month of losses,

Fact. Green Packet's total losses for last 27 months equals some 275 million!

Fact. Green Packet raised some 98 million via rights issue last Aug. 2009.

Fact, Jan 2010. Green Packet raised some 69.176 million from a share placement.

Fact. After the rights issue, the following quarter, November 2009, Green Packet said it had some 174 million cash and some 209 million in borrowings.

Fact. After tonight's earnings, or 6 months later, Green Packet said it had some 111.699 million cash and some 256.376 million in borrowings.

Fact, Nov 2009, Green Packet had 68,691 in trade payables. In Feb 2010, trade payables grew to 159.192 million. Today payables total some 188 million. (Why so much payables nowadays? Who is Green Packet not paying? )

So how?

Green Packet owes its bankers more money, yes? It's debts had increased.

It has less money, despite the rights issue and placement of shares.

So is less cash and more debt good?

At this rate, got enough cash ah?

Oh yeah, last quarter Green Packet has some 95 million in losses. Today's is much less. Yeah, now can I put a spin on Green Packet and say that things are getting better because Green Packet has lost less money. Buy ah?

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So What Did Green Packet Say About It's 94.5 Million Losses

Thursday, February 11, 2010

Posted this last night: Green Packet Sudah Potong?



  • Green Packet lost another 94.5 million!!!

    Which means Green Packet has now lost some 231.4 million for the last 8 quarters!

    Nice business eh?

    Yeah, company still trying to sell its future prospects. Hmmm.... meanwhile it's losing tons and tons of money and burning cash.

    Hmmm... sounds familiar?

So for a company that lose some 231.4 million for the last 8 quarters, which is equivalent to losing some 231.4 million the last 2 fiscal years, I was VERY interested in what the company would say to the press.

On the edge Financial Daily: Green Packet 4Q loss widens to RM95m

  • KUALA LUMPUR: GREEN PACKET BHD []'s net loss widened to RM94.54 million in the fourth quarter (4Q) ended Dec 31, 2009 from RM37.33 million a year earlier, which the company attributed to higher provisions and marketing expenses.

    Revenue for the quarter jumped two-fold to RM73.54 million from RM24.53 million, while loss per share stood at 15.80 sen versus 11 sen previously.

    In a Bursa Malaysia filing today, Green Packet said
    it made additional provisions for impairment of long-term investments, investments in associates and inventories of approximately RM26 million in the quarter.

    It also
    registered higher amortisation and depreciation and increased subscriber acquisition costs, which led to substantially higher mass marketing expenses.

    For FY0920, Green Packet's net loss widened to RM176.29 million from a loss of RM55.24 million in FY2008, despite revenue increasing to RM234.53 million from RM87.49 million.

    Net loss per share for the year stood at 39.2 sen, up from 17 sen in FY2008.

Higher provision and marketing expenses.

That's about it.

And because of this two issue Green Packet lost some 94.5 million!

If you are an investor, would you be happy? Would you? Seriously?

And the rest of the article, the CEO just mumbles on and on and on the company's prospects.

  • At a media briefing yesterday, Green Packet group managing director CC Puan said during the last quarter the group shifted its WiMAX operating business strategy by focusing its investment on expanding network infrastructure.

    "It is paramount for any service provider to invest in customer retention as we regard our customers as key asset of our business," he said.

    "I am proud to say that we are currently the world's no 3 WiMAX modem vendor with 15% global market share, and the top connectivity management solutions provider in Asia Pacific."

    Green Packet deploys WiMAX broadband through its unit Packet One Networks Sdn Bhd (P1).

    WiMAX broadband contributed substantially to Green Packet service provider group's revenue, which increased to RM138 million from RM66 million in 2008, he said, adding that P1's customer base expanded 17% in the final three months of 2009 to 140,000 subscribers.

    Looking ahead, Puan was upbeat about Green Packet's performance this year with P1 expected to double its network infrastructure and subscriber base by year-end.

    "Our focus last year was on coverage rollout, while this year we will strive to be Ebitda-positive. This will be done by doubling our existing 650 sites.

    "In addition to that, the solutions group would continue to make profit from the sales of WiMAX devices. Only next year we are anticipating net profit after tax," he said.

    Puan added that
    Green Packet would be investing slightly more than RM500 million in capex over the next three years to broaden its WiMAX coverage, including Sabah and Sarawak.

    "Last year, we invested about RM500 million. We will invest RM250 million this year with RM250 million to be invested between 2011 and 2012," he said.

    Puan said the capex would be used to increase its network coverage in Malaysia by 65% by 2012.

    Meanwhile, P1 chief executive officer Michael Lai said the company achieved average revenue per user (ARPU) of RM83, a figure that it hoped to maintain by providing good customer service.

    Puan added that the recent launch of its fixed voice services would be an additional avenue for P1 to maintain its ARPU.

    "In addition to that, we will also be releasing our mobile voice service by the second half of next year," he added.

What's your impression?

A good salesman isn't it?

Despite the losses, the boss just rambles on the future prospects.

World's number 3 Wimax vendor was boasted. Er, so what? What's the big deal if the company ain't got the profit to show for?

Strive to be ebitda positive? Remembrance of the go-go Internet era of the past. EBITDA positive? Sorry but I have to really laugh on this!

Anyway they are only anticipating to be net profit after tax next year!!

LOL!

Sorry but I really had to laugh again!

In short the company only 'assumes' it can make a profit the next year!

Common sense thingy... surely the company can see for themselves what is happening!

It was just back in 2005, it was 'making' some 55 million a year. Now? The last 8 quarters or the equivalent of 2 years, Green Packet has now lost some 231 million. And it only 'anticipates' to make money the next year.

Meaning another 4 quarter of losses could be likely.

And we don't even know what kind of profits too!

And how much has been invested?

They said they invested 500 million last year! And they want to invest another 500 million the next 3 years!

LOL! LOL!

Sorry to be cynical but where's their common business sense? Shouldn't they take a really good look at themselves and say "Hold on a minute, we are spending 1 billion in this investment, what's the return of investment"?

Yeah, what's the return of investment????

And if you are a minority shareholder, you really needs to ask yourself this. Where's the return?

And yeah.. I wonder if the boss is paid handsomely for running such a company??!!!

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Edit:

  • Richard Cranium said...

    Mr Moolah

    They have spent a lot of money. But much of this cost of money is flogged off to their vendors. or should I say, their vendors are being flogged?

    Cash never really left their coffers[yet]. But soon. Its an accident waiting to happen.

    I wonder how much are their payables this time?



Here's a screen shot from its latest earnings report. The payables are highlighted.





Since it was Green Packet's Q4 earnings, the comparisons versus the same quarter last year on the balance sheet simply says it all!!!!

And here is the previous quarter earnings reported in Nov 2009. Quarterly rpt on consolidated results for the financial period ended 30/9/2009





The surge in trade payables are very much a concern, yes?

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Green Packet Sudah Potong?

Blogged previously: P1 Wimax: Honey Have You Cut It? Part II

  • From earnings 55 million in 2005 in 2006, the company has now lost some 136.9 million for its last 7 quarters!!!

Green Packet just announced its earnings.




Green Packet lost another 94.5 million!!!

Which means Green Packet has now lost some 231.4 million for the last 8 quarters!

Nice business eh?

Yeah, company still trying to sell its future prospects. Hmmm.... meanwhile it's losing tons and tons of money and burning cash.

Hmmm... sounds familiar?

Oh, don't you love the recent 'Sudah potong' ads?

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P1 Wimax: Honey Have You Cut It? Part II

Thursday, November 12, 2009

Posted last night: P1 Wimax: Honey Have You Cut It?

I was wondering what the boss will say.

Here is the link to an interview published on Star Business:
Green Packet CEO says losses are short term

Remember the following are WHAT was said by the CEO!


  • Friday November 13, 2009
    Green Packet CEO says losses are short term
    By YVONNE TAN

    PETALING JAYA: Green Packet Bhd reported a higher net loss of RM31.8mil for its third quarter ended Sept 30 against a net loss of RM10.3mil for the same period last year due to continued heavy promotional activities and investment costs related to the development of its 4G (Worldwide Interoperability for Microwave Access or WiMAX) business.

    Revenue for the period however was higher at RM63mil versus RM18.2mil in 2008 while loss per share stood at 8 sen and 3.2 sen respectively.

    “The losses are ‘technical, planned’ losses,” group managing director and chief executive officer CC Puan told a media briefing yesterday.

    “We are sacrificing short-term profits for long-term gains,” he said.

    To-date, the mobile broadband networking solutions provider has spent more than RM337mil in capital expenditure to develop its 4G business which is parked under Packet One Networks (M) Sdn Bhd (P1).

    Puan said the P1 planned to spend another RM650mil within the next two years to develop the network and enable it to provide up to 65% coverage of Peninsular Malaysia’s population by 2011. Currently, P1 has 35% network coverage in the peninsula.

    The company also had plans to extend its network to East Malaysia and Singapore next year, he said.

    Puan said P1’s current subscriber base stood at “more than 100,000” from 10,000 as at the end of last year and the company was on track to meet its target of 200,000 by the end of next month.

    “It’s a stretched target but we are on track,” he said.

    In the third quarter, PI’s net adds were 36,000 against 25,000 in the second quarter, a growth of 44%.

    “P1 WiMAX launched its services less than two year ago and already, we are recognised as one of the top four 4G WiMAX operators in the world,” he said.

    Puan said he expected Green Packet to return to the black in the second half of next year with PI targeted to break even (in terms of earnings before interests, taxes, depreciation and amortisation) by the first quarter of 2010.

    On the other pillar of Green Packet’s business – the product and solution business which was currently profitable, Puan said he targeted shipments of customer premises equipment to overseas markets to increase to 1.5 million units next year from about 200,000 currently.

    The company, he said, targeted sales to total US$97.5mil (RM329mil) based on the average cost of US$65 per equipment.

    For the nine months to Sept 30, Green Packet made a net loss of RM81.9mil compared with a net loss of RM17.9mil a year earlier. Revenue was RM161mil against RM63mil.

Oh my!

Consider these facts!

Green Packet earnings since 2006: 55 mil -> 30.2 mil -> -55mil -> - 81.9 million (3 quarters)

From earnings 55 million in 2005 in 2006, the company has now lost some 136.9 million for its last 7 quarters!!!

“The losses are ‘technical, planned’ losses,” ? " We are sacrificing short-term profits for long-term gains,” ???

Want to count the amount Green Packet has burned TRYING to venture into Wimax?

Why don't he sit down and count if such a business (Wimax) is really viable?

Ever tried google the phrase 'wimax problems' and limit your search to pages from Malaysia?

(try this google search link: here )

Let me highlight a couple of links.

Complaints - P1 Wimax always suffer with slow connection

  • Written by Administrator
    Friday, 02 October 2009 09:39
    I am using p1 wimax and always suffer with slow connection problems. I had issued this problem to skmm and I got feedback from p1, which then the connection is better. However, the good thing is not lasting long, not even for a week. These 2 months, I can’t get connection, or extremely slow/unstable connection…

    I called customer service care line. The guy told me my location is just 180m away from the base station, I should have good connection. So he log my case and provided me a case number, said that technician will contact me later. After few days, I called again since I do not receive any call. Another personnel checked my case number and told me this case is processing, technician will contact me very soon.

    Until yesterday, I do not receive any call from P1. Within this period, connection is not improved. I can’t even get any connected signal. So, I called again. This guy told me, the base station is under repaired, so for my area, no connection is very normal, it is their problem, not my problem. Of course I know this is P1’s problems. So I asked him, then what shall I do? When the station will be back to normal? He said he don’t know. The station is malfunction since 16 Sept until now. I feel so weird as I do not receive any notification from P1 regarding this.

    Is it fair to us when the station is down for half month, while still charging us for one month’s fee?? So I told him it’s ok for station down, but for my case, even the station is not down, connection is poor for so long. Then the guy said it is normal when many users access at the same time. And asked me if there is many advertisement pop up, etc?

    But for my case, I have no chance to access those web pages, as the connection is always down. Then, I required him to check for the case no. I got, he said this case number is not existed in the system. I am wondering is this way of P1 to solve customer’s problem /complaints? Close the case without any actions taken/feedback from users? Or… Simply throw a fake case number to user to shut user’s mouth? I wish to talk to someone that can really investigate and help me in my problem. Not some customer service officers that answer the phone with same answers that are not answers to my question.

    I lost my entertainment, social times with outside world. I also missed out some jobs opportunities/offer that sent to my email mailbox. I am not asking for unlimited usage that let me download thousands of mp3s, games, movies, dramas etc, I am just asking for a connection that can let me check email, messaging, e-banking, and browse for some info.

    Most funny thing is, I still have to go cybercafé or steal time to online at office, for my personal things…. Last but not least, I paid my bill every month.

Do try reading some comments posted in this blog: http://azlan.anilezfa.com/p1-wimax, the very last set of comments: http://azlan.anilezfa.com/p1-wimax#comment-35157 is utmost interesting!

  • Hi Ronnie,

    The explanation provided by Fazrul is not a solution for my problem hence my problem is still not solved yet.

    I still need to connect to the Internet using my neighbour’s Streamyx connection due to the bad connection using my P1 Wimax during peak time which is the most likely time also need to use the service.

    I need to wait for at least 1 month before I could enjoy the service, as I should. This is what I have been advice since P1 is going to build a new base tower or whatever you call it to improve my Internet connection in my area.

    Since you mentioned if there is anything, which you could do besides my existing, problem YES there is one thing!

    I have complained to Fazrul that about 2-3 weeks ago that I have been advised the technical team only works till 10pm by one of the agent, but Fazrul denied this and have told me that the agent gave me the WRONG INNFORMATION. Believe Fazrul have sent a complaint on my behalf to the Customer Service Department.

    I have not received any feedback or call on this complaint!!!

    Are you guys serious in handling customer’s complaint or you just treat it like a junk?

    Regards,

    Jagdip Singh Gill

    Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:11 PM

    Subject: Re: P1 – Services – Bad Service

    Im having trouble again for the past 2 days to connect to the internet using my P1.

    1st call i made on the 27june spoke to Ms Mimi Baizuhana and she promised me that someone will call back within 24 hours

    2nd call was made after 24 hours since no one call me back and i spoke to a guy (dint get his name)

    He placed me on hold for several minutes after getting my details and had hang up the line after that.

    3rd time i call and spoke to Ms Izza on the 29june and explained my issue and she asked me to wait for another 48 hours before someone will call me back again.

    I demanded for someone to assist me immediately but she refused to escalated me further saying that she has to follow P1’s policy which is that they are not allowed to transfer my call to any the supervisor. What kind of crap policy is this ?

    Im really disappointed with the service from the staffs of P1 which is not acceptable.

    I also regret that i had cancel my Maxis Broadband and switched to P1 Wimax thinking that the service would be much better but i truly made a BIG MISTAKE!

    Firstly i was conned by the P1 Wimax sales person saying that the place i live on the 19th floor has very good service P1 Wimax. However when i call in P1, i was advised that 19th floor is not covered by P1 wimax service.

    Secondly when i have problems with connections they people at P1 wimax would not bother calling me back despite of the promised that made. Not even once they have call me back to solve my problem.

    I would not recommended any of my friends or family member to P1 Wimax as the service is horrible!!!!

    Hopefully after lodging this complaint with the rightful ministry & press, actions will be taken to restore back damages made to customers by P1 Wimax.

    Please call me back as promised !

    I been waiting for 72 hours…..Please fullfill to your SLA promise!

    FYI – Im paying for your service and not getting it for free hence i need your help to resolve the issues.

    Regards,


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