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Grantham's Night Of The Living Fed!

Wednesday, October 27, 2010

Here is a great editorial.


http://www.gmo.com/websitecontent/JGLetter_NightofLivingFed_3Q10.pdf

  • To Summarize

    1) Long-term data suggests that higher debt levels are not correlated with higher GDP growth rates.

    2) Therefore, lowering rates to encourage more debt is useless at the second derivative level.

    3) Lower rates, however, certainly do encourage speculation in markets and produce higher-priced and therefore less rewarding investments, which tilt markets toward the speculative end. Sustained higher prices mislead consumers and budgets alike.

    4) Our new Presidential Cycle data also shows no measurable economic benefi ts in Year 3, yet point to a striking market and speculative stock effect. This effect goes back to FDR, and is felt all around the world.

    5) It seems certain that the Fed is aware that low rates and moral hazard encourage higher asset prices and increased speculation, and that higher asset prices have a benefi cial short-term impact on the economy, mainly through the wealth effect. It is also probable that the Fed knows that the other direct effects of monetary policy on the economy are negligible.

    6) It seems certain that the Fed uses this type of stimulus to help the recovery from even mild recessions, which might be healthier in the long-term for the economy to accept.

    7) The Fed, both now and under Greenspan, expressed no concern with the later stages of investment bubbles. This sets up a much-increased probability of bubbles forming and breaking, always dangerous events. Even as much of the rest of the world expresses concern with asset bubbles, Bernanke expresses none. (Yellen to the rescue?)

    8) The economic stimulus of higher asset prices, mild in the case of stocks and intense in the case of houses, is in any case all given back with interest as bubbles break and even overcorrect, causing intense fi nancial and economic pain.

    9) Persistently over-stimulated asset prices seduce states, municipalities, endowments, and pension funds into assuming unrealistic return assumptions, which can and have caused fi nancial crises as asset prices revert back to replacement cost or below.

    10) Artifi cially high asset prices also encourage misallocation of resources, as epitomized in the dotcom and fi ber optic cable booms of 1999, and the overbuilding of houses from 2005 through 2007.

    11) Housing is much more dangerous to mess with than stocks, as houses are more broadly owned, more easily borrowed against, and seen as a more stable asset. Consequently, the wealth effect is greater.

    12) More importantly, house prices, unlike equities, have a direct effect on the economy by stimulating overbuilding. By 2007, overbuilding employed about 1 million additional, mostly lightly skilled, people, not counting the associated stimulus from housingrelated purchases.

    13) This increment of employment probably masked a structural increase in unemployment between 2002 and 2007, which was likely caused by global trade developments. With the housing bust, construction fell below normal and revealed this large increment in structural unemployment. Since these particular jobs may not come back, even in 10 years, this problem may call for retraining or special incentives.

    14) Housing busts also help to partly freeze the movement of labor; people are reluctant to move if they have negative house equity. The lesson here is: Do not mess with housing!

    15) Lower rates always transfer wealth from retirees (debt owners) to corporations (debt for expansion, theoretically) and the fi nancial industry. This time, there are more retirees and the pain is greater, and corporations are notably avoiding capital spending and, therefore, the benefi ts are reduced. It is likely that there is no net benefi t to artifi cially low rates.

    16) Quantitative easing is likely to turn out to be an even more desperate maneuver than the typical low rate policy. Importantly, by increasing infl ation fears, this easing has sent the dollar down and commodity prices up.

    17) Weakening the dollar and being seen as certain to do that increases the chances of currency friction, which could spiral out of control.

    18) In almost every respect, adhering to a policy of low rates, employing quantitative easing, deliberately stimulating asset prices, ignoring the consequences of bubbles breaking, and displaying a complete refusal to learn from experience has left Fed policy as a large net negative to the production of a healthy, stable economy with strong employment.

Grantham's view on emerging markets

  • 3) How far can emerging equities go?

    I have been showing late-career tendencies to wander off the reservation of pure historical value. The “Emerging Emerging Bubble” thesis of 2½ years ago (1Q 2008 Quarterly Letter) is in splendid shape. The idea is that within a few more years, emerging equities will sell at a substantial premium P/E because their much higher GDP growth (6% compared to2%) will give a powerful impression of greater value. Everyone and his dog are now overweight emerging equities, and most stated intentions are to go higher and higher. Emerging markets are admittedly fully priced, but they still sell at a decent discount to the 75% of the S&P 500 that are not quality stocks – a particularly strange quirk in a strange market. With their high commodity exposure, their strong fi nances, and their strong GDP growth especially, I believe that they will sell at a premium to the S&P, perhaps a big one. How much of this premium to go for depends on an investor’s commitment to pure value relative to the weight that is placed on behavioralism – the way investors really behave versus the way they should behave. This gives us quite a wide range for investing in emerging that might be considered reasonable. GMO will make its own decision on how “friendly” to be toward emerging market equities as a category. You must make yours.

His recommendations

  • Very Brief Recommendations

    1) Emphasize U.S. quality companies, which are still cheap in an overpriced world.

    2) Moderately overweight emerging market equities.

    3) Moderately underweight the balance of global equities.

    4) Heavily underweight lower quality U.S. companies.

    5) Carry extra cash reserves for a volatile market with insecure fundamentals.

    6) For the very long term (20 years) overweight resources, particularly if they have a sharp decline. (This is my personal view rather than that of GMO, which on this topic is agnostic.)

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Jeremy Grantham's Summer Essay

Wednesday, July 21, 2010

Some interesting comments from Jeremy Grantham:

  • Portfolio Outlook and Recommendations

    Well, I, for one, am more or less willing to throw in the towel on behalf of Inflation. For the near future at least, his adversary in the blue trunks, Deflation, has won on points. Even if we get intermittently rising commodity prices, which seems quite likely, the downward pressure on prices from weak wages and weak demand seems to me now to be much the larger factor. Even three months ago, I was studiously trying to stay neutral on the “flation” issue, as my colleague Ben Inker calls it. I, like many, was mesmerized by the potential for money supply to increase dramatically, given the floods of government debt used in the bailout. But now, better late than never, I am willing to take sides: with weak loan supply and fairly weak loan demand, the velocity of money has slowed, and inflation seems a distant prospect. Suddenly (for me), it is fairly clear that a weak economy and declining or fl at prices are the prospect for the immediate future.

    The worrying news is that most European countries, led by Germany (not surprisingly in this case), are coming on more like Hoover than Keynes. More surprisingly, Britain and half of the U.S. Congress are acting sympathetically to that trend, which is to emphasize government debt reduction over economic stimulus. Yet, after a relatively strong initial recovery, the growth rates of most developed economies are already slowing, despite the immense previous stimulus. You don’t have to be a passionate follower of Keynes to realize that to rapidly reduce deficits at this point is at least to flirt with a severe economic decline. We can all agree that we had a financial crisis, a drop in asset values, and an economic decline, all three of which were global (although centered in the developed countries), and all three of which were the worst since the Great Depression. All three were destined to head a whole lot deeper into the pit without the greatest governmental help in history, also global. Yet despite this help, the economic recovery was merely adequate, unlike the stock market recovery, which was sensational and, as often happens, disproportionate to the fundamental recovery. But in the last three months, more or less universally in the developed world, there has been a disturbing slackening in the rate of economic recovery. (Perhaps Canada and Australia on their own look okay, propped up by raw materials and, so far, un-popped housing bubbles.)

    I am still committed to my idea of April 2009 that there would be a “last hurrah” of the market, supported psychologically by a substantial economic recovery but then, after a year or so, that this would be followed by a transition into a long, difficult period that I called the “seven lean years.” I had, though, supposed that the economic reflex recovery – how could it not bounce with that flood of governmental help to everyone’s top line? – would last longer or at least not slow down as fast as we have seen in the last few weeks. And with unexpectedly strong fiscal conservatism from Europe and perhaps from us, this slowdown looks downright frightening. I recognize that in this I agree with Krugman, but I can live with that once in a while. However, where I am merely fearful, he is talking about another “Depression."

    At GMO, our asset allocation portfolios, however, are merely informed on the margin by these non-quantitative considerations. They draw their strength from our regular seven-year forecast. Today this forecast (see Exhibit 1) suggests that it is possible to build a global equity portfolio with just over the normal imputed return of around 6% plus inflation. With our forecast, this can be done by overweighting U.S. high quality stocks and staying very light on other U.S. stocks. At a time when fixed income is desperately unappealing, this, not surprisingly, results in our accounts being just a few points underweight in their global equity position, which is suddenly a little nerve-wracking as the growth of developed countries slows down. A little more dry powder suddenly seems better than it did a few weeks ago, but then again, prices are 13% cheaper. I regret not having seen the light a few weeks earlier. Running at the same rate of change in attitude as both the market and general opinion is both frustrating and unprofitable. But even as global equities approach reasonable prices, I would err on the side of caution on the margin.

    Let me give a few more details: just behind U.S. high quality stocks, at 7.3% real on a seven-year horizon, is my long-time favorite, emerging market equities at 6.6%. This is now above our assumed 6.2% long-term equilibrium return. Additionally, my faith in an eventual decent P/E premium over developed equities exceeding 15%, perhaps by a lot, is intact. Emerging equities’ fundamentals also continue to run circles around ours. EAFE equities at 4.9% are a little expensive (6% or 7%) but make a respectable filler for a global equity portfolio. Forestry remains, in my opinion, a good diversifier if times turn out well, a brilliant store of value should inflation unexpectedly run away, and a historically excellent defensive investment should the economy unravel. Otherwise, I hate it.

Source: http://news.morningstar.com/articlenet/SubmissionsArticle.aspx?submissionid=98075.xml&page=1

http://www.gmo.com/websitecontent/JGLetter_SummerEssays_2Q10.pdf

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Should You Listen To What Jeremy Grantham Is Saying Now?

Tuesday, November 3, 2009

I have referred to Jeremy Grantham's newsletter and quotes quote often on this blog and here are some of the past postings: here

For example, in the posting Bear Market Rallies, posted back in 2005.



  • "Think of yourself standing on the corner of a high building in a hurricane with a bag of feathers. Throw the feathers in the air. You don't know how high they will go. You don't know how far they will go. Above all, you don't know how long they will stay up. Yet you know one thing with absolute certainty: eventually on some unknown flight path, at an unknown time, at an unknown location, the feathers will hit the ground, absolutely, guaranteed. These are situations where you absolutely know the outcome of a long-term interval, though you absolutely cannot know the short-term periods in between. That is almost perfectly analogous to the stock market." ( those above comments were taken from the book Bull, with the original comments originating from Sandra Ward's interview with Jeremy Grantham posted in Barron's 2001, entitled After the Deluge)
Now back in 2007, I posted the following: It's Bubble Everywhere



  • 'The necessary conditions for a bubble to form are quite simple, and number only two,' he said in his letter. 'First, the fundamental economic conditions must look at least excellent - and near perfect is better. Second, liquidity must be generous in quantity and price: it must be easy and cheap to leverage. If these two conditions have ever been present without causing a bubble, it has escaped our attention.'
  • The big question is, of course, when will the bubble burst? Here's where those who are long on assets will take heart.

    'Most bubbles, like Internet stocks and Japanese land, go through an exponential phase before breaking, usually short in time but dramatic in extent,' Mr Grantham wrote.

    'My colleagues suggest that this global bubble has not yet had this phase and perhaps they are right. (A surge in money flowing into private equity might cause just such a hyperbolic phase.) In which case, pessimists or conservatives will take considerably more pain. Again.'

    What will be the catalyst that bursts the bubble?

    According to Mr Grantham, up until today we haven't quite agreed on the catalyst for the 1929, 1987, or 2000, or even the South Sea bubble bursts. Still, there are a couple of vulnerabilities in today's near-perfect market conditions. One is rising inflation; the other is declining profit margins.

( The full commentary from Mr. Jeremy Grantham can be read here: It's Everywhere, In Everything: The First Truly Global Bubble . ( registration is free but required ))

And burst it did!

However in Oct 2008, Jeremy Grantham Joins The Bullish Camp! (Fully recommended to re-read! :D)

The following passage WAS a gift to all value investors, from Jeremy - thank you again!.

  • The Curse of the Value Manager

    We at GMO have a strong value bias, and our curse, therefore, like all value managers, is being too early. In 1998 we saw horribly overpriced stocks that at 21 times earnings equaled the two previous great bubbles of 1929 and 1965. Seeing this new “peak,” we were sellers far, far too early, only to watch it go to 35 times earnings! And as it went up, so many of our clients went with it, reminding us that career risk is really the only other thing that matters. The other side of the coin is that only sleepy value managers buy brilliantly cheap stocks: industrious, wide-awake value managers buy them when they are merely very nicely cheap, and suffer badly when they become – as they sometimes do – spectacularly cheap. I said as far back as 1999, while suffering from selling too soon, that my next big mistake would be buying too soon. This probably sounded ridiculous for someone who was regarded as a perma bear, but I meant it. With 14 years of an overpriced S&P, one feels like a perma bear just as I felt like a perma bull at the end of 13 years of underpriced markets from 1973-86. But that was long ago. Well, surprisingly, here we are again. Finally! On October 10 th we can say that, with the S&P at 900, stocks are cheap in the U.S. and cheaper still overseas. We will therefore be steady buyers at these prices. Not necessarily rapid buyers, in fact probably not, but steady buyers. But we have no illusions. Timing is difficult and is apparently not usually our skill set, although we got desperately and atypically lucky moving rapidly to underweight in emerging equities three months ago. That aside, we play the numbers. And we recognize the real possibilities of severe and typical overruns. We also recognize that the current crisis comes with possibly unique dangers of a global meltdown.
We recognize, in short, that we are very probably buying too soon. Caveat emptor.


Click here for his newsletter: http://www.gmo.com/websitecontent/JGLetter_3Q08.pdf

Feb 2009, there was a great interview on Forbes posted here: Grantham Calls It "Cheapest In 20 Years"

Still not convinced?

DO I ONLY POST NEGATIVES ON THIS BLOG? LOL! Have a look at this posting on March 2009: Grantham: Do Not Let Fear Terrify You From Investing!

But that's then.

GMO news letter is out.

Just Deserts and Markets Being Silly Again

Here is a great tip from Jeremy once more.

The following few passages from his newsletter.

  • The Last Hurrah and Markets Being Silly Again

    The idea behind my forecast six months ago was that regardless of the fundamentals, there would be a sharp rally.1 After a very large decline and a period of somewhat blind panic, it is simply the nature of the beast. Exhibit 1 shows my favorite example of a last hurrah after the first leg of the 1929 crash.



    After the sharp decline in the fall of 1929, the S&P 500 rallied 46% from its low in November to the rally high of April 12, 1930. It then, of course, fell by over 80%. But on April 12 it was once again overpriced; it was down only 18% from its peak and was back to the level of June 1929. But what a difference there was in the outlook between June 1929 and April 1930! In June, the economic outlook was a candidate for the brightest in history with effectively no unemployment, 5% productivity, and over 16% year-over-year gain in industrial output. By April 1930, unemployment had doubled and industrial production had dropped from +16% to -9% in 5 months, which may be the world record in economic deterioration. Worse, in 1930 there was no extra liquidity flowing around and absolutely no moral hazard. "Liquidate the labor, liquidate the stocks, liquidate the farmers"2 was their version. Yet the market rose 46%.

    How could it do this in the face of a world going to hell? My theory is that the market always displayed a belief in a type of primitive market efficiency decades before the academics took it up. It is a belief that if the market once sold much higher, it must mean something. And in the case of 1930, hadn't Irving Fisher, arguably the greatest American economist of the century, said that the 1929 highs were completely justified and that it was the decline that was hysterical pessimism? Hadn't E.L. Smith also explained in his Common Stocks as Long Term Investments (1924) - a startling precursor to Jeremy Siegel's dangerous book Stocks for the Long Run (1994) - that stocks would always beat bonds by divine right? And there is always someone of the "Dow 36,000" persuasion higher prices in previous peaks must surely have meant something, and not merely have been unjustified bubbly bursts of enthusiasm and momentum.

    Today there has been so much more varied encouragement for a rally than existed in 1930. The higher prices preceding this crash (that were far above both trend and fair value) had lasted for many years; from 1996 through 2001 and from 2003 through mid-2008. This time, we also saw history's greatest stimulus program, desperate bailouts, and clear promises of years of low rates. As mentioned six months ago, in the third year of the Presidential Cycle, a tiny fraction of the current level of moral hazard and easy money has done its typically great job of driving equity markets and speculation higher. In total, therefore, it should be no surprise to historians that this rally has handsomely beaten 46%, and would probably have done so whether the actual economic recovery was deemed a pleasant surprise or not. Looking at previous "last hurrahs," it should also have been expected that any rally this time would be tilted toward risk-taking and, the more stimulus and moral hazard, the bigger the tilt. I must say, though, that I never expected such an extreme tilt to risk-taking: it's practically a cliff! Never mess with the Fed, I guess. Although, looking at the record, these dramatic short-term resuscitations do seem to breed severe problems down the road. So, probably, we will continue to live in exciting times, which is not all bad in our business.

  • Economic and Financial Fundamentals and the Stock Market Outlook

    The good news is that we have not fallen off into another Great Depression. With the degree of stimulus there seemed little chance of that, and we have consistently expected a global economic recovery by late this year or early next year. The operating ratio for industrial production reached its lowest level in decades. It should bounce back and, if it moves up from 68 to 80 over three to five years, will provide a good kicker to that part of the economy. Inventories, I believe, will also recover. In short, the normal tendency of an economy to recover is nearly irresistible and needs coordinated incompetence to offset it – like the 1930 Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, which helped to precipitate a global trade war. But this does not mean that everything is fine longer term. It still seems a safe bet that seven lean years await us.

    Corporate ex-financials profit margins remain above average and, if I am right about the coming seven lean years, we will soon enough look back nostalgically at such high profits. Price/earnings ratios, adjusted for even normal margins, are also significantly above fair value after the rally. Fair value on the S&P is now about 860 (fair value has declined steadily as the accounting smoke clears from the wreckage and there are still, perhaps, some smoldering embers). This places today’s market (October 19) at almost 25% overpriced, and on a seven-year horizon would move our normal forecast of 5.7% real down by more than 3% a year. Doesn’t it seem odd that we would be measurably overpriced once again, given that we face a seven-year future that almost everyone agrees will be tougher than normal? Major imbalances are unlikely to be quick or easy to work through. For example, we must eventually consume less, pay down debt, and realign our lives to being less capital-rich. Global trade imbalances must also readjust. To repeat my earlier forecast, I expect developed markets to grow moderately less fast – about 2.25% – for the next chunk of time, and to look pretty anemic compared to emerging countries growing at twice that rate. We are nervous about the possibility of a major shock to Chinese growth. (My personal view of a major China stumble in the next three years or so is that it is maybe only a one in three chance, but is still the most likely important unpleasant surprise of the fundamental economic variety.) Notwithstanding this concern, I believe we are well on the way to my “emerging emerging bubble” described 18 months ago (1Q 2008 Quarterly Letter). I would recommend to institutional investors, including my colleagues, to give emerging equities the benefit of value doubts when you can. For once in my miserable life, I would like to participate in a bubble if only for a little piece of it instead of getting out two years too soon. Riding a bubble up is a guilty pleasure totally denied to value managers who typically pay a high price to the God of Investment Discipline (Thor?) for being so painfully early. I think the first 15 percentage points over fair value would satisfy me. If I’m right, the first 15% will be a small fraction of the eventual bubble premium. So in a sense, we would be early once again.

Ah... in a sense, we would be early once more. (If you are a follower of what Jeremy had been saying, you would understand perfectly what he's saying now!)

His market outlook continues..

  • We believed from the start that this market rally and any outperformance of risk would have very little to do with any dividend discount model concept of value, so it is pointless to “ooh and ah” too much at how far and how fast it has traveled. The lessons, if any, are that low rates and generous liquidity are, if anything, a little more powerful than we thought, which is a high hurdle because we have respected their power for years. And what we thought were powerful and painful investment lessons on the dangers of taking risk too casually turned out to be less memorable than we expected. Risk-taking has come roaring back. Value, it must be admitted, is seldom a powerful force in the short term. The Fed’s weapons of low rates, plenty of money, and the promise of future help if necessary seem stronger than value over a few quarters. And the forces of herding and momentum are also helping to push prices up, with the market apparently quite unrepentant of recent crimes and willing to be silly once again. We said in July that we would sit and wait for the market to be silly again. This has been a very quick response although, as real silliness goes, I suppose it is not really trying yet. In soccer terminology, for the last six months it is Voting Machine 10, Weighing Machine nil!

    Price, however, does matter eventually, and what will stop this market (my blind guess is in the first few months of next year) is a combination of two factors. First, the disappointing economic and financial data that will begin to show the intractably long-term nature of some of our problems, particularly pressure on profit margins as the quick fix of short-term labor cuts fades away. Second, the slow gravitational pull of value as U.S. stocks reach +30-35% overpricing in the face of an extended difficult environment.

    On a longer horizon of 2 to 10 years, I believe that resource limitations will also have a negative effect (see 2Q 2009 Quarterly Letter). I argued that increasingly scarce resources will give us tougher times but that we are collectively in denial. The response to this startling revelation, for the first time since I started writing, was nil. It disappeared into an absolutely black hole. No one even bothered to say it was idiotic, which they quite often do. Given my thesis of a world in denial, though, I must say it’s a delicious irony.

    So, back to timing. It is hard for me to see what will stop the charge to risk-taking this year. With the near universality of the feeling of being left behind in reinvesting, it is nerve-wracking for us prudent investors to contemplate the odds of the market rushing past my earlier prediction of 1100. It can certainly happen.

    Conversely, I have some modest hopes for a collective sensible resistance to the current Fed plot to have us all borrow and speculate again. I would still guess (a well informed guess, I hope) that before next year is out, the market will drop painfully from current levels. “Painfully” is arbitrarily deemed by me to start at -15%. My guess, though, is that the U.S. market will drop below fair value, which is a 22% decline (from the S&P 500 level of 1098 on October 19).

The last passage.

  • Lesson Not Learned: On Redesigning Our Current Financial System

    I can imagine the company representatives on the Titanic II design committee repeatedly pointing out that the Titanic I tragedy was a black swan event: utterly unpredictable and completely, emphatically, not caused by any failures of the ship's construction, of the company's policy, or of the captain's competence. "No one could have seen this coming," would have been their constant refrain. Their response would have been to spend their time pushing for more and improved lifeboats. In itself this is a good idea, and that is the trap: by working to mitigate the pain of the next catastrophe, we allow ourselves to downplay the real causes of the disaster and thereby invite another one. And so it is today with our efforts to redesign the financial system in order to reduce the number and severity of future crises.

    After a crisis, if you don't want to waste time on palliatives, you must begin with an open and frank admission of failure. The Titanic, for example, was just too big and therefore too complicated for the affordable technology of its day. Given White Star Line's unwillingness to spend, she was under-designed. The ship also suffered from agency problems: the passengers bore the risk of unnecessary speed and overconfidence in "too big to sink!" while the captain stood to be rewarded for breaking the speed record. No captain is ever rewarded for merely delivering his passengers alive. Greenspan, nearly 100 years later in his short-lived "irrational exuberance" phase, did not enjoy being metaphysically slapped by the Senate Subcommittee for threatening the then speedy progress of the economy. What is needed in this typical type of agency problem is for the agent on those rare occasions when it really matters, whether a ship's captain or a Fed boss, to stop boot licking and say, "No, this is wrong. It is just too risky. I won't go along."

    We have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to effect genuine change given that the general public is disgusted with the financial system and none too pleased with Congress. I have no idea why the current administration, which came in on a promise of change, for heaven's sake, is so determined to protect the status quo of the financial system at the expense of already weary taxpayers who are promised only somewhat better lifeboats.

    It is obvious to most that there was a more or less complete failure of our private financial system and its public overseers. The regulatory leaders in particular were all far too captured and cozy in their dealings with reckless and greedy financial enterprises. Congress also failed in its role. For example, it did not rise to the occasion to limit the recklessness of Fannie and Freddie. Nor did it encourage the regulation of new financial instruments. Quite the reverse, as exemplified by the sorry tale of CFTC Chairman Brooksley Born's fight to regulate credit default swaps.

    But, at least now, Congress seems to realize the problem: the current financial system is too large and complicated for the ordinary people attempting to control it. Even Barney Frank, were he on his death bed, might admit this; and most members of Congress know that they hardly understand the financial system at all. Many of the banks individually are both too big and so complicated that none of their own bosses clearly understand their own complexity and risk taking. The recent boom and the ensuing crisis are a wonderfully scientific experiment with definitive results that we are all trying to ignore. And, except for bankers, who have Congress in an iron grip, we all want and need a profound change. We all want smaller, simpler banks that are not too big to fail. And we can and should arrange it!

    Step 1 should be to ban or spin off that part of the trading of the bank's own money that has become an aggressive hedge fund. Proprietary trading by banks has become by degrees over recent years an egregious conflict of interest with their clients. Most if not all banks that prop trade now gather information from their institutional clients and exploit it. In complete contrast, 30 years ago, Goldman Sachs, for example, would never, ever have traded against its clients. How quaint that scrupulousness now seems. Indeed, from, say, 1935 to 1980, any banker who suggested such behavior would have been fired as both unprincipled and a threat to the partners' money. I, for one, saw Goldman in my early days as a surprisingly ethical firm, at worst "long-term greedy." (This steady loss of the old partnership ethic is typically underplayed in descriptions of Goldman.) Today, Goldman represents a potential hedge fund trade as being attractive precisely because they themselves have already chosen to do it. These days, all - or almost all - large banks do proprietary trading that is pure hedge fund in nature. Indeed the largest bank, Citi (owned by us taxpayers), is gearing up to substantially increase its aggressive prop trading as I write. ("No, no, we're not!")

    Some insiders have argued that we should not worry about prop trading because they claim it did not play an important part in the recent crisis. I think this is completely wrong for it misses the very big picture. Prop trading can easily introduce an aggressive hedge-fund type mentality into the very hearts of what ideally should be conservative, prudent - even boring - banks. This hedge fund mentality became a dominant organizing principle, particularly with respect to compensation practices. It encouraged personal aspirations over corporate goals and invited bonus-directed behavior at the clients' expense and ultimately, as we have seen, at the taxpayers' expense to rid itself of this problem. All Congress has to overcome is the lobbying power and campaign contributions of the finance industry itself, which I admit is no small feat. In a bank with a hedge fund heart, you can't reasonably expect ethical or non-greedy behavior, and you haven't seen it.

    Of course, commercial and investment banks need to invest their own capital. They probably should have the right to do genuine hedging against investments that flow naturally from their banking business. As for the rest, they could easily be required either to limit the leverage used on prop desk trading or to be restricted to investing in government paper and, at the very least, play by the same rules as other hedge funds. What they certainly should insurance, as is now the case.

    In the early 1930s, following the famous Pecora hearings, the conflict of interest between the management of other people's money as fiduciary and the business of dealing and underwriting in securities was considered so inimical to the public interest that Congress almost compelled separation of proprietary trading and client trading. Close, but no cigar. Instead, Glass-Steagall made the probably less useful step of separating commercial and investment banking. Unfortunately, they left intact the obvious conflict between the banks' managing their own money and simultaneously that of their clients. We now have a unique opportunity to revisit this matter.

    (As we ponder the problem of prop trading, let us consider Goldman's stunning $3 billion second quarter profit. It appeared to be almost all hedge fund trading. Be aware also that this $3 billion is net of about $6 billion reserved for future bonuses. Goldman's CEO had, in fact, the interesting job of deciding how much of this $9 billion profit would be arbitrarily awarded to shareholders. [In this case, one-third. Could be worse!] This means that they extracted every penny of $9 billion from a fragile financial system. "Good for them," you may say, and they indeed are very smart. But surely they should not have been insured against failure by us taxpayers! Remember, they are now also a commercial bank yet very, very little of their $9 billion came from making loans. Three months later their bonus pool for the year is estimated to be a new record at $29 billion. And the whole banking industry is back to a new record for remuneration. How resilient! How remarkable! How basically undesirable for our economy!)

    In Step 2, the Justice Department, together with Congressional and other advisors, should be invited to develop a special set of rules for the banking industry that recognizes the moral hazard of "too big to fail." If really too big to fail, banks should be divided by Justice into manageable, smaller pieces that can indeed be allowed to fail. With these two steps and possibly with an intelligent son of Glass-Steagall, the deed would be done! Regulators would have a fighting chance of being able to regulate, unlike their recent woeful past. If an angel appeared, waved his wings and, lo, it was so, almost every single Congressman would sigh with relief.

    The separation of commercial banking from investment banking is not as vital as the removal of prop desk complicated enterprises both smaller and simpler, which characteristics I for one believe are probably essential if we are to avoid further disasters. So what is the problem? The argument against all major changes, without at least some of which we will soon surely be back in another crisis, is always the same. "Oh, you can't roll back the clock." But, even repeated twice before every breakfast, it is not persuasive. Why exactly can't you roll back the clock? We did it once before and, although it was very imperfect and probably missed the central point of conflict of interest, it still produced an improved system that was successful enough for 50 years. In general, countries with simpler and less aggressive banks have had much less pain in the recent crisis while we were pawning the Crown Jewels - sorry, the Federal Jewels - to bail out aggressive bankers who were out of their depth in the new complexities.

    Step by step, even as the complexity grew, our regulatory leaders enabled systemic risk to grow. They continued to push the boundaries for banks by allowing more leverage, new instruments, and less control. The details are familiar. All this was done in the name of untrammeled, unfettered capitalism, and almost all of it was a bad idea.

    "Oh!" say the bankers, "If we become smaller and simpler and more regulated, the world will end and all serious banking will go to London, Switzerland, Bali Hai, or wherever." Well, good for those other places. If that means they will have knee-buckling, economy cracking, taxpayer-impoverishing meltdowns every 15 years and we will be left looking like a boring back water, that sounds fine to me. Remember, just like our investment management branch of the financial system, banking creates nothing of itself. It merely facilitates the functioning of the real world.

    Yes, of course every country needs a basic financial system to function effectively with letters of credit, deposits, and check writing facilities, etc. But as you move beyond that it is worth remembering that every valued job created by financial complexity is paid for by the rest of the real economy, and talent is displaced from real production, as symbolized by all of the nuclear physicists on prop trading desks. Viewed from the perspective of the long-term well-being of the whole economy, the drastic expansion of the U.S. financial system as a percentage of total GDP in the last 20 years has been a drain on the health and cost structure of the balance of the real economy. To illustrate this point, in 1965 the financial sector of the economy took up 3% of the GDP pie. The 1960s were probably the high water mark (or one of them) of America's capitalism. They clearly had adequate financial tools. Innovation could obviously have occurred continuously in all aspects of finance, without necessarily moving its share of the economy materially over 3%. Yet by 2007 the share had risen to 7.5% of GDP!

    The financial world was reaching into the GDP pie and taking an unnecessary extra 4%. Every year! This extra rent is enough to lower the savings and investment potential of the rest of the economy. And it shows. As mentioned earlier, the growth rate of the GDP had been 3.5% a year for a hundred years. It had proven to be remarkably robust. Even the Great Depression bounced off it, and soon GDP growth was back on the original trend as if the Depression had never occurred. But after 1965, the growth of the non-financial slice, formerly 3.4%, slowed to 3.2%. After 1982 it dropped to 3.1% and after 2000 fell to well under 3%, all measured to the end of 2007, before the recent troubles. These are big declines. It is as if a runner has a growing and already heavy blood sucker on him that is, not surprisingly, slowing him down. In the short term, I realize that job creation in the financial industry looked like a growth driver, as did the surge in financial profits (which we now realize were ludicrously overstated). But in the long term, like a sugar high, this stimulus was temporary and unhealthy.
    The financial system was growing because it could. The more complex and confusing new financial instruments became the more "help" ordinary citizens needed from the experts. The agents' interests were totally unaligned with the principle/clients' interests. This makes a mockery of "rational expectations" and the Efficient Market Hypothesis, which assumes (totally unproven, as usual) equivalent and perfect knowledge on both sides of all transactions. At the extreme, this great advantage in knowledge and information held by the financial agents has the agents receiving all the rewards, according to the recent work3 by my former partner, Paul Woolley, and his colleagues at the Woolley Centre for the Study of Capital Market Dysfunctionality. (With a great name like that their job is half done before they start.)

    The second problem, right on the heels of the too-big-and complicated issue, is that of inadequate public oversight. Even with existing institutions, we would have avoided most of the recent pain, borne by taxpayers, if we had had better public leadership. Yes, the public bodies had flaws, but the individuals running the shop had far bigger flaws. Greenspan, with arguably the most important job in the world, simply did not believe in interfering with capitalism at all. His regulatory colleagues such as Bernanke and Geithner fell into line without any challenges. And Congress, strongly influenced by the financial industry, or merely misguided, or often both, facilitated the approach that capitalism in general and banking in particular would do just fine if left entirely alone. It was a very expensive error. Does anyone think we would have run off the cliff with even one change - Volcker at the Fed? I, for one, am confident that we would have done far less badly.

    Behind this weakness in the recent cast of characters is a systemic (suddenly the trendiest word in the English language) weakness in our method of job selection. How can Greenspan, with his long-established record of failure as a professional economist, have resurfaced as the Fed boss? With no record of success in any important job, he gets one of the world's two most important jobs! Now we have to decide how much more decision-making power to give to the Fed - an institution with a 25-year proven record of failure. How can we separate the logical neatness of institutional design from our recent proven inability to pick effective, principled leaders with strong backbones?

    It is a conundrum: too many regulatory agencies and you have too many opportunities for financial interests to shop around for regulatory bargains and to find and exploit the ambiguous seams between them. Too few agencies and we run the risk of my worst nightmare: waking up and finding Alan Greenspan with twice the authority!

    At the least we must recognize the improbability of acquiring great leaders and that our financial system must be simple and robust enough to withstand the worst efforts from time to time of poor or even bad leadership. A simpler, more manageable financial system is much more than a luxury. Without it we shall surely fail again. And it looks as if we are bound and determined to bend once again to the will (and the money) of the financial lobby, which is encouraged by the unexpected conservatism of the current administration's "Teflon" men. They seem terrified to make any substantial changes. And the one person with the character to make tough changes - Paul Volker - is window dressing, exactly as I suggested in January. A sad, wasted opportunity!
    Summary

    * Yes, this was a profound failure of our financial system.
    * The public leadership was inadequate, especially in dealing with unexpected events that often, like the housing bubble breaking, should have been expected.
    * Of course, we should make a more determined effort to do a more effective job of leadership selection. But excellence in leadership will often be elusive.
    * Equally obvious, we could make a hundred improvements to the lifeboats. Most would be modest beneficial improvements, but in the long run they would be almost completely irrelevant and, worse, they might kid us into thinking we were doing something useful!
    * But all of the above points fail to recognize the main problem: the system has become too big and complicated for even much-improved leaders to handle. Why should we be confident that we will find such improved leaders? For, even in an administration directed to "change," Obama and his advisors fell back on the same cast of characters who allowed, even facilitated, the development of the current crisis. Reappointing Bernanke! What a wasted opportunity to get a "son of Volker" type. (Or should that be "grandson of Volker?")
    * The size of the financial system continues to grow and shows every sign of being out of control. As it grows, it becomes a bigger drain on the rest of the economy and slows it down.
    * The only long-term hope of avoiding major recurrent crises is to make our financial system simpler, the units small enough that they can be allowed to fail, and, above all, to remove the intrinsically conflicted and dangerously risk-seeking hedge fund heart from the banking system. The rest is window dressing and wishful thinking.
    * The concept of rational expectations - the belief in the natural efficiency of capitalism - is wrong, and is the root cause of our problems. Hyman Minsky, on the other hand, was right; he argued that the natural outcome of ordinary people interacting is to make occasional financial crises "well nigh inevitable." Crises are desperately hard to avoid. We must give ourselves a chance by making the job of dealing with them much, much easier.
    * All in all we are likely to have learned little, or rather to act, through lack of character, as if we have learned nothing. In doing so we are probably condemning ourselves to another serious financial crisis in the not too- distant future.

    PS: As quite often happens, since I write painfully slowly (even without extra tick-borne delays), a professional slipped in with a great column that gets to the heart of this matter. Please read John Kay in the Financial Times of July 9. It is short and persuasive. "Our banks are beyond the control of mere mortals" - now, that's what I call a title!

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Grantham: Do Not Let Fear Terrify You From Investing!

Wednesday, March 11, 2009

Published on 10th March 2009: Grantham Urges Shift to Stocks Before ‘Rigor Mortis’

  • Grantham Urges Shift to Stocks Before ‘Rigor Mortis’

    By Sree Vidya Bhaktavatsalam

    March 10 (Bloomberg) -- Jeremy Grantham, who oversees $85 billion as chief investment strategist of Grantham Mayo Van Otterloo & Co.,
    urged investors to start moving money from cash to stocks before “rigor mortis” sets in.

    “Typically, those with a lot of cash will miss a very large chunk of the market recovery” because they are paralyzed by fear, Grantham wrote in a March 4 commentary posted today on the Boston-based firm’s Web site.

    Grantham, who last year reversed his decade-long bearish stance on stocks, maintained his view from January that the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index may fall below 600 before rebounding. The benchmark U.S. index dropped yesterday to 676.53, the lowest since September 1996, before gaining 6.4 percent to 719.60 today in New York. Based on his estimate of fair value, the S&P 500 should be valued at 900.

    “Remember that you will never catch the low,” wrote Grantham, one of the co-founders of GMO. He expects stocks to return 10 percent to 13 percent after inflation in the next seven years.

    The S&P 500 Index has declined 20 percent this year as the global economy worsened, raising concern that corporate earnings would be slashed and major U.S. banks would need to be nationalized. Today, stocks rallied after Citigroup Inc. said it is having its best quarter since 2007.

    Grantham told investors to make the shift from cash to stocks in a “few large steps” instead of all at once. GMO started reinvesting in stocks in October, and has a schedule for more moves based on future market declines, Grantham wrote.

    Grantham, 70, nicknamed a “perma-bear” by colleagues because of his grim view on stocks for more than a decade, said in April 2007 that the world was in the middle of a “global bubble,” and by July that same year said he had never been more bearish.

    In January 2008, Grantham advised a shift to cash. By October, stock prices had fallen so far that he recommended buying them

Here is the link to the article on GMO website: http://www.gmo.com/websitecontent/JG_ReinvestingWhenTerrified.pdf

  • Reinvesting When Terrifi ed
    Jeremy Grantham
    March 2009

    It was psychologically painful in 1999 to give up making money on the way up and to expose yourself to the career risk that comes with looking like an old fuddy duddy. Similarly today, it is both painful and career risky to part with your increasingly beloved cash, particularly since cash has been so hard to raise in this market of unprecedented illiquidity. As this crisis climaxes, formerly reasonable people will start to predict the end of the world, armed with plenty of terrifying and accurate data that will serve to reinforce the wisdom of your caution. Every decline will enhance the beauty of cash until, as some of us experienced in 1974, ‘terminal paralysis’ sets in. Those who were over invested will be catatonic and just sit and pray. Those few who look brilliant, oozing cash, will not want to easily give up their brilliance. So almost everyone is watching and waiting with their inertia beginning to set like concrete. Typically, those with a lot of cash will miss a very large chunk of the market recovery.

    There is only one cure for terminal paralysis: you absolutely must have a battle plan for reinvestment and stick to it. Since every action must overcome paralysis, what I recommend is a few large steps, not many small ones. A single giant step at the low would be nice, but without holding a signed contract with the devil, several big moves would be safer. This is what we have been doing at GMO. We made one very large reinvestment move in October, taking us to about half way between neutral and minimum equities, and we have a schedule for further moves contingent on future market declines. It is particularly important to have a clear defi nition of what it will take for you to be fully invested. Without a similar program, be prepared for your committee’s enthusiasm to invest (and your own for that matter) to fall with the market. You must get them to agree now – quickly before rigor mortis sets in – for we are entering that zone as I write. Remember that you will never catch the low. Sensible value-based investors will always sell too early in bubbles and buy too early in busts. But in return, you may make some important extra money on the roundtrip as well as lowering the average risk exposure.

    For the record, we now believe the S&P is worth 900 at fair value or 30% above today’s price. Global equities are even cheaper. (Our estimates of current value are based on the assumption of normal P/Es being applied to normal profi t margins.) Our 7-year estimated returns for the various equity categories are in the +10 to +13% range after infl ation based on an assumption of a 7-year move from today’s environment back to normal conditions. This compares to a year ago when they were all negative! Unfortunately it also compares to a +15% forecast at the 1974 low, and because of that our guess is that there is still a 50/50 chance of crossing 600 on the S&P 500.

    Life is simple: if you invest too much too soon you will regret it; “How could you have done this with the economy so bad, the market in free fall, and the history books screaming about overruns?” On the other hand, if you invest too little after talking about handsome potential returns and the market rallies, you deserve to be shot. We have tried to model these competing costs and regrets. You should try to do the same. If you can’t, a simple clear battle plan – even if it comes directly from your stomach – will be far better in a meltdown than none at all. Perversely, seeking for optimality is a snare and delusion; it will merely serve to increase your paralysis. Investors must respond to rapidly falling prices for events can change fast. In June 1933, long before all the banks had failed or unemployment had peaked, the S&P rallied 105% in 6 months. Similarly, in 1974 it rallied 148% in 5 months in the UK! How would you have felt then with your large and beloved cash reserves? Finally, be aware that the market does not turn when it sees light at the end of the tunnel. It turns when all looks black, but just a subtle shade less black than the day before.

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Jeremy Grantham's 4Q 2008 letter

Saturday, February 14, 2009

Jeremy Grantham's GMO 4Q 2008 letter

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  • But let us look for a minute at the extent of the loss in perceived wealth that is the main shock to our economic system. If in real terms we assume write-downs of 50% in U.S. equities, 35% in U.S. housing, and 35% to 40% in commercial real estate, we will have had a total loss of about $20 trillion of perceived wealth from a peak total of about $50 trillion. This relates to a GDP of about $13 trillion, the annual value of all U.S. produced goods and services. These write-downs not only mean that we perceive ourselves as shockingly poorer, they also dramatically increase our real debt ratios. Prudent debt issuance is based on two factors: income and collateral.

    Like a good old-fashioned mortgage issuer, we want the debt we issue to be no more than 80% of the conservative asset value, and lower would be better. We also want the income of the borrower to be sufficient to pay the interest with a safety margin and, ideally, to be enough to amortize the principal slowly. On this basis, the National Private Asset Base (to coin a phrase) of $50 trillion supported about $25 trillion of private debt, corporate and individual. Given that almost half of us have small or no mortgages, this 50% ratio seems dangerously high.

    But now the asset values have fallen back to $30 trillion, whereas the debt remains at $25 trillion, give or take the miserly $1 trillion we have written down so far. If we would like the same asset coverage of 50% that we had a year ago, we could support only $15 trillion or so of total debt. The remaining $10 trillion of debt would have been stranded as the tide went out! What is worse is that credit standards have of course tightened, so newly conservative lenders now assume the obvious: that 50% was too high, and that 40% loan to collateral value or even less would be more appropriate.
    As always, now that it’s raining, bankers want back the umbrellas they lent us. At 40% of $30 trillion, ideal debt levels would be $12 trillion or so, almost exactly half of where they actually are today!

    It is obvious that the scale of write-downs that we have been reading about in recent months of $1 trillion to $2 trillion will not move our system anywhere near back to a healthy balance.

His comments on Warren Buffett page 5-6

  • First, Warren Buffett. At about 950 on the S&P on October 16, he announced that he was a personal buyer of U.S. stocks because they were cheap and their prices reflected widespread fear. This is not typical for him, but he certainly did it in 1974. When he said it back then, every stock in our portfolio at Batterymarch yielded almost 10%! The portfolio P/E was below 7.5x. Even with hindsight, if you value the market in 1974 using our current methodology, it was very much cheaper than it is today at 950, which is what we calculate as almost precisely fair value.

    His recent announcement made the market seem so much more exciting than boring old fair value. So what are the possibilities? Was he performing a civic duty? Certainly, animal spirits are a critical component of any recovery, so encouragement to take risk from an authoritative source makes perfect sense. Does he believe that 1974- type cheapness can never return, or is very unlikely in this particular case? If that were the argument, we would disagree; we suspect that cheaper prices are not just possible but probable, although admittedly far from certain. Has he perhaps a tactical market timing model that produces his obvious excitement, despite these ordinary values? Most unlikely, given his style. Or are our numbers wrong? Perish the thought! In any case, it is all an interesting conundrum.

On the Black Swan logic. Page 6

  • Second, Nassim Taleb and the Black Swan logic, which I have previously admired in public. Taleb is completely dismissive – in a way only he can be – of any near certainties. He implies that we have just suffered from an outlier event crashing up against standard risk modeling that only assumes that events will occur in an approximately normal way. He argues that modeling the 95% or 99% normal range in Value at Risk (VaR) misses the whole point: that the real game is played out in the final 1%. It's hard to disagree with this criticism of VaR, but is it relevant in this case? Was the recent breaking of our credit and asset bubbles a totally unpredictable outlier?

    We believe that we live in a world where bubbles routinely form and where there are – in complete contrast to Nassim Taleb’s belief – some near certainties. One is that bubbles will break. Bernanke should not have said, “U.S. house prices have never declined,” thus implying that they never would. He should have said, “Never before has a three sigma, 1 in 100, U.S. housing bubble occurred, and be advised that all such analogous bubbles in other asset classes and in housing in other countries have always burst.” (Robert Shiller for the Fed! He would have said almost exactly that.) The bursting of the U.S. and U.K. housing bubbles, the profit margins, and the risk premium in global asset prices were all “near certainties.” This was a White Swan, a particularly White Swan. Taleb’s work will no doubt be correct when we have a genuine Black Swan, but this was most definitely not it. (Okay, Nassim. I can hear you thinking: this guy Grantham is a complete loser who has obviously missed my entire point.)

His recommendations..

  • Re-introducing the Very First of Our 7-year Forecasts: Bullish Again!
    For many years, we used a 10-year forecast for asset class returns. In January 2002, we made our first 7-year forecast, dated December 31, 2001. We moved from 10 to 7 years because research proved that it was closer to the average time for financial series to mean revert. The data is shown in Table 1.

    As you can see, despite being called “perma bears,” we overestimated the returns for global equities, except for emerging, where we were more or less spot on. Government debt – not surprisingly, given our crisis – also moderately outperformed our estimate.

    Current Recommendations
    Slowly and carefully invest your cash reserves into global equities, preferring high quality U.S. blue chips and emerging market equities. Imputed 7-year returns are moderately above normal and much above the average of the last 15 years.
    But be prepared for a decline to new lows this year or next, for that would be the most likely historical pattern, as markets love to overcorrect on the downside after major bubbles. 600 or below on the S&P 500 would be a more typical low than the 750 we reached for one day.

    .... Emerging countries are, of course, a different story. They will probably recover more quickly, and will continue to grow at double (or better) the growth rate of developed countries.

Jeremy's commentary on the issue of Value Trap is excellent again. This is a must read section on page 8 and I will reproduce his first paragraph.

  • The Year of the Value Trap
    Since time immemorial, the most successful value investors have been the bravest. The greatest advantage of value investing has always been that when your cheap stock goes down in price, it gets even cheaper and more attractive. This is the complete opposite of momentum stocks, which lose their momentum rating as they decline and hence become unattractive. But averaging down in value stocks can take lots of nerve and considerable ability in convincing anxious clients of the soundness of the strategy. For at least 60 years, those value investors who managed these problems and bought more of the stocks that had tumbled the most emerged with both the strongest performance and the most business success. (Of course, analytical skills also help, but let’s assume that these skills were distributed evenly between brave and nervous investors.) Major market declines in the past set up the best opportunities for brave value managers: the 50% declines of 1972-74 and 2000-02. Value investors in 1972 and 2000 were also able to buy value stocks at their biggest discounts to the general market at least since 1945. In addition, averaging down in those value stocks that fell the most eventually added substantially to an already strong return. Those value managers with the best analytical skills within this group became the few handfuls of super-successful investors.

I repeat what was posted in past posting Jeremy Grantham Joins The Bullish Camp!

  • The Curse of the Value Manager

    We at GMO have a strong value bias, and our curse, therefore, like all value managers, is being too early. In 1998 we saw horribly overpriced stocks that at 21 times earnings equaled the two previous great bubbles of 1929 and 1965. Seeing this new “peak,” we were sellers far, far too early, only to watch it go to 35 times earnings! And as it went up, so many of our clients went with it, reminding us that career risk is really the only other thing that matters. The other side of the coin is that only sleepy value managers buy brilliantly cheap stocks: industrious, wide-awake value managers buy them when they are merely very nicely cheap, and suffer badly when they become – as they sometimes do – spectacularly cheap. I said as far back as 1999, while suffering from selling too soon, that my next big mistake would be buying too soon. This probably sounded ridiculous for someone who was regarded as a perma bear, but I meant it. With 14 years of an overpriced S&P, one feels like a perma bear just as I felt like a perma bull at the end of 13 years of underpriced markets from 1973-86. But that was long ago. Well, surprisingly, here we are again. Finally! On October 10 th we can say that, with the S&P at 900, stocks are cheap in the U.S. and cheaper still overseas. We will therefore be steady buyers at these prices. Not necessarily rapid buyers, in fact probably not, but steady buyers. But we have no illusions. Timing is difficult and is apparently not usually our skill set, although we got desperately and atypically lucky moving rapidly to underweight in emerging equities three months ago. That aside, we play the numbers. And we recognize the real possibilities of severe and typical overruns. We also recognize that the current crisis comes with possibly unique dangers of a global meltdown.
    We recognize, in short, that we are very probably buying too soon. Caveat emptor.

See past posting: Grantham Calls It "Cheapest In 20 Years"

Interview With GMO's Jeremy Grantham

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Grantham Calls It "Cheapest In 20 Years"

Monday, February 2, 2009

So says Jeremy Grantham in an interview with Steve Forbes.

  • Cheapest in 20 Years

    Steve Forbes:
    You went back in emerging markets.

    Jeremy Grantham Back in emerging markets.

    Steve Forbes: And in terms of evaluating markets, and stocks in particular, you have a pretty disciplined formula. So you can say precisely 950 and--

    Jeremy Grantham That's exactly right. It may be wrong, but it's precise. And we've had a long history of doing it the way I described, that everything will be normal in seven years. And it's turned out to be quite robust. And probably pretty simple and straightforward-- an effective way of doing it. And right now, what it says is that, since October, global equity markets have been cheap. Not dramatically cheap--not cheap like you and I have seen [in] a couple of markets. 1982, 1974--that was very cheap indeed.

    This is merely ordinarily cheap. But it's the cheapest it's been for 20 years. For 20 years, we had this remarkable period when the markets were never cheap. They got less expensive, you know, too, but they were never cheap. And so now, you have this terrible creative tension between, on one hand, they're the cheapest they've been for 20 years.

    They're pretty decent numbers. For seven years, we expect seven-and-a-half [percent] real [return] from the U.S., from the S&P. And perhaps nine-and-a-half from EAFE and emerging. These are not bad numbers for seven years. And on the other hand, as historians, we all recognize that the great bubbles tend to overrun.

    Steve Forbes: Right.

    Jeremy Grantham And they're not normally satisfied--you can't buy them off by being slightly cheap; they insist on becoming very cheap. So, we've said for several months that we thought this cycle would go to 600 or 800 on the S&P. Eight hundred if it was a mild recession--ho-ho, [we] can throw that one away. And 600 would be quite normal if it was a severe recession like '82, '74,
    which I think, I don't know if you agree, is pretty well baked in the pie today. It may be worse, but it's probably not going to be much less bad than '74 or '82.

    Steve Forbes: And so, in terms of the markets today, even though they're cheap, you're going in gingerly, since it could theoretically go down to 600, and given the emotions you get in these things.

    Jeremy Grantham Yes, I would say two-to-one, by the way, my instinct plus looking at the history books, that it will go to a new low [in 2009]. So this is the problem; we're underweighted still. In an ordinary asset allocation account that has 65% in equities, we have moved up to 55%. So, we're still underweight, even though they're cheaper than they've been, and they're reasonably cheap.

    Now what happens
    ? If we throw in the client's money and it goes down, indeed, as I think it will [in 2009], they will complain quite bitterly that we weren't very smart. We thought it was going down, and yet we threw their money in. So that's one kind of regret. And the other kind of regret is that we hang back and the market runs away, the one-in-three comes up and they say, "You told us the market was cheap. You told us that you had these 9% or 10% real return opportunities, and you're still underweight and the market's back up 200 points. You're an idiot."

    So, there's no way you can avoid some regret. You have to look at your own personal balance sheet. How much pain can you stand? If you absolutely can't stand a 20% hit, you'd better carry quite a lot of cash, because you're quite likely to get it. If, on the other hand, you're made of steel, you can concentrate on the seven-year horizon and filter money in, and having a lot of cash here is probably a bit dangerous from the other point of view.

    But in any case, it's a very personal judgment of risk avoidance and how tough you are under stress. The worst situation that will befall probably quite a lot of people is that they exaggerate their toughness. The market goes down 30% from here to 600 and they panic, dump their stocks and never get back. And that's the worst outcome.

    Japan a Blue Chip?

    Steve Forbes: And one of the areas you seem to be interested in is Japanese stocks?

    Jeremy Grantham I think Japan may turn out, finally, in a curious way, to be a blue chip here. They've been through a lot of the problems. Their ordinary corporations are no longer super-leveraged as they were. It took them 15 years, but finally, they got there about three years ago. The banking system is not at the cutting edge of all the problems, so they look relatively blue chip.

    And yes, they're exposed to the global export problem, but when you look at Japan, they are [a] deceptively low exporting country. It's only 12% of their GDP; it's much lower than most European countries, etc. So I think they're fundamentally a candidate for the blue chip, and plus, they're stock prices of course have been terrible.

    Steve Forbes: Right.

    Jeremy Grantham
    It's taken them 17 years to lose 78% of their money. This is what I say: That exhibit is called "stock for the very, very long run." Aimed at Jeremy Siegel, if you think that people are machines, then of course you can tuck stocks away and hold them forever. But ordinary human beings don't like to wait 17 years to lose 78% of their money or 28 years to round trip in Japan.

    They haven't made a penny in 28 years, including dividends, in real terms. And people have dismissed that, "That's Japan, we're the U.S." And that is, in a way, the most simple minded of logic
    . Of course, every country is different. But do not think that we can't have terrible times. I sincerely hope we will not, and I don't expect that we will. But you have to consider it a possibility.

    Emerging Markets

    Steve Forbes: Now, looking at emerging markets, what ones stand out as particularly enticing right now, or do you try to merge them all together?

    Jeremy Grantham Merge the emerging, yes. We do, I think. Emerging market is no longer at all monolithic. There is an exporting clutch, there is a handful of eastern European that looks a little shaky. There are two or three that have forgotten the rules of the Asian crisis and have accumulated some foreign-denominated debt that leaves them very vulnerable. And increasingly, each one looks separate. But in general, many of them have better finances than they had in other crises.

    Steve Forbes: Any ones particularly stand out that you?

    Jeremy Grantham Well, Brazil, of course, is much improved from the way it used to be and has a nice position in natural resources. And on a very long horizon, I like its style. I'm not making a recommendation based on today's price. Indeed, I don't know today's price, they most so fast. We had one day the other day when their entire fund and the index was up over 10% for the day. So the numbers change at bewildering speed these days.

    Buy Big U.S. Stocks

    Steve Forbes: And U.S. blue chips, you--

    Jeremy Grantham No, U.S. blue chips, I think is manna from heaven. They're conservative in a risky world. The best companies on the face of Earth, right? And from '02 to '07, they were considered boring and all the action was in the racier, more leveraged stuff. They underperformed every single year from '02 onwards and five years in a row. So, when this trouble started to escalate, they were about as cheap, on a relative basis, as they ever get.

    They were not absolutely cheap, but they were relatively very cheap. And the best bet, for my money, then and now, a year later, was to buy the great franchise companies, the great quality companies and to go short the junkier, more leveraged companies. That's been a very profitable strategy and one of the few things that has been working this year. This year, of course, as you know, has been the year from hell for money managers.

    The value traps, the likes of which we haven't seen since the 1930s, the great value managers all made their reputation by being braver than the next guy, by buying the WaMus of the world when they'd fallen to seven and they'd bounce back to 28. And this time they went from seven to three and they doubled up again and they went to zero.

    It's been a nightmare. And the quants, who use momentum as well as value, have had no better luck with momentum. And the quant techniques of balancing risk have also failed, as we were discussing. So, this has been a dreadful year for money management. And quality has been the one theme that has worked. And interestingly, from our firm's point of view, it's not a theme that other people seem to have adopted.

    There are not quality funds, there are large cap and growth and value, but there are no quality funds. And so, it's been hard for people to pick up that theme. But it has been very, very good since September.

    Steve Forbes: What are a couple of examples of what you consider quality companies?

    Jeremy Grantham I'm not recommending these companies, except generically.

    Steve Forbes: Right.

    Jeremy Grantham But, no surprise is Coca-Cola, Microsoft, Procter & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson. These are the essence of the great franchise companies. And collectively, they're not that dependable in bear markets, but they're incredibly dependable when people's confidence in the fundamentals start to go. In Japan, for example, the quality companies in Japan outperformed for nine consecutive years when their troubles came.

    They accumulated again against the Japanese market of 98% points. They were brilliant in the Great Depression between '29 and '32. Even though the Coca-Colas were relatively overpriced in '29, they still went down dramatically less than the junky companies. But they're the great test of quality. So, you wouldn't expect quality to be dependable unless we were having the kind of environment that we seem to be having. And I think they will have legs, they will, the high quality companies can outperform, handsomely still, from here.

    Stimulus!

    Steve Forbes: Commodities--you were short oil; your firm was short copper. When do you go long, or is that just a side show?

    Jeremy Grantham That's a very good question. I was thinking about that in the taxi today. When you see oil breaking $40, I believe oil is the great exception. I asked over 2,000 full-time professionals to find me a paradigm shift in a major asset class and they never offered me one, so I was very pleased to offer oil a couple of years ago. I thought it was the genuine paradigm shift. I thought that after 100 years at $16 a barrel, it had jumped to maybe $36 or $37 in real terms. And I think it has probably jumped again. It will be revealed in 20 years to what level. But my guess is $60, $65, maybe even $70. But what people underestimate, even in the oil industry, is how volatile the asset class is. In other words, if the trend is $65, it is fairly routine for oil to sell below half, say $30, and more than double, say $145.

    And people never get that. So you don't want to be too quick to buy into weakness or sell into strength, necessarily. But it can go a long way.
    But below 40, I must say, I do get a bit interested. And below 30, I'm definitely a buyer.

    Steve Forbes: Wow.

    Jeremy Grantham And copper, copper's done so brilliantly on the downside that you really begin to ask--it must be approaching cost of production somewhere in the next 10% or 15%--you have to say, "That was very nice, thank you," and cover.

    Steve Forbes: Now, in terms of the U.S. economy, you've seemed to be saying that the Fed is doing right, print all [the money] you can, and for the government, to spend all you can.

    Jeremy Grantham Yes, which I have to choke on, as I have no doubt you would. Because, normally, it's a terrible--

    Steve Forbes: That's why I'm not drinking the water, I don't want to choke.

    Jeremy Grantham It's normally terrible advice. It's only useful when it's the real McCoy. And I think it is. And if there's unemployment, having the government help reduce that unemployment, increase employment directly is a pretty good idea. It's not driving out competition, it's not crowding out. As long as there's excess unemployed people sitting around like the Great Depression, you should do everything you can to get them employed and get the system going again, just as a temporary stop gap, I believe.

    And I think by combining that with energy sufficiency, particularly labor-intensive kind of energy avoidance--installing insulation, storm windows, very labor-intensive. Battering down solar cells on the roofs of Wal-Marts in California. I think that will be some of the highest return investments that anyone ever makes.

    Just return on capital is very, very high in efficient light bulbs, and therefore should be done. And I don't mind the government accruing debts as long as every dollar is spent effectively with a high return. That works out fine. If you accumulate debts and waste your money, that's, of course, a disaster. I know I'm preaching to choir on that one.

    Steve Forbes: And what about tax rates? Isn't that the best stimulus? Lowering tax rates, changing incentives?

    Jeremy Grantham The trouble is, in these very rare occasions, that sometimes does not work. Normally, of course, it's a lay-up. But if you give Japanese corporations were the real crunch there. Here it's consumers. Japanese corporations had so much debt, that as you threw money at them, they paid down their debt. They didn't build new factories. They were waking up at 3 o'clock in the morning sweating that they were insolvent.

    Of course, technically, they were insolvent. So, they paid down debt and they paid down debt. Our consumers are so leveraged that you run the risk with a tax cut that they're in the same boat. You write them a check, even--same thing as a tax cut, really. Write them a check for $250 and they'll pay down their credit card debt because they're getting desperate. They are hugely overstretched. So it doesn't necessarily work anymore, pushing on a string. And whereas, if you get out there and spend money to employ people directly, bashing insulation into your attic, that does work.

    Our Leaders Failed

    Steve Forbes: So, what is the one big misplaced assumption today when you look around at this?

    Jeremy Grantham Reviewing the last two years, of course, it's a misplaced trust in the competence of our leadership, from the very top. But certainly, notably, the Fed, the arch villains of this piece; Treasury, little better; the SEC. They were cheerleaders, all of them. And they encouraged reckless leverage and low-quality debt. Complicated, unresearched, generally disgraceful.

    And they made no effort to resist it in any way. Even jawboning would have been a great advantage over nothing. Greenspan encouraged, admired the ingenuity of the new instruments for sub-rime. I mean, went out of his way to encourage it. Some, as in Greenspan, beat back an attempt to do some regulating of subprime markets. And I think it looked pretty bad.

    Hank Paulson did not move fast enough to recognize that the impending decline of house prices would create some problems. And Bernanke couldn't even see the house bubble. On our data and Robert Shillers, it was a three-sigma, one-in-100-year event. After 100 years of being flat, it soared after 2000. You
    could not miss it. And right at the peak, October '06, Bernanke said--quote--"The U.S. housing market merely reflects a strong economy"--unquote.

    What was he looking at? Where were his statisticians? These are the guys we picked out of millions to lead us in a crisis. And they can't see a three-sigma bubble? Every single bubble of that kind has broken. Asset classes are incredibly dangerous when they form a bubble and when the bubble breaks. And Greenspan did not get that, and I've been screaming “abuse” forever. It seems like as long as I can remember, but I wrote a piece in 2001 called “Feet of Clay,” saying basically, "This bubble from 2000 will be hard to forgive."

    And of course, it was the ancestor of the current problem and the housing bubble. The housing bubble is even more dangerous because more people own houses. It's more for the ordinary people. And borrowing is so much easier. So, that is really the most dangerous. And to do two at once this time around, and to do it globally, is to truly play with fire.
    We have lost, or will have lost, is my estimate, at the bottom, $20 trillion of formerly perceived wealth, from $50 trillion to $30 [trillion].

    And at $50 trillion, we had $42 trillion of debt of all kinds, which is a fairly suspiciously high 80% ratio of assets. But at $30 [trillion], we will have $42 trillion of debt, which is much more than suspicious. And bankers, who always get religion after the event, are now going to say that 60% ratio might look better.

    And 60% of $20 [trillion] is not going to make much of an impression on the $42 trillion of debt that we have. So we have a lot of what I call "stranded debt," $15, $20 trillion. Even at fair price, which is, perhaps, $25 trillion. There's still a lot of stranded debt. This is going to take years to work through the system, not [just] a year or two.

    Dysfunctional Markets

    Steve Forbes: So what is the best financial lesson you've learned? You've been in this business for decades.

    Jeremy Grantham The market is incredibly inefficient and capable on rare occasions of being utterly dysfunctional. And people have a really hard time getting their brain around that fact. They want to believe that it's approximately efficient almost all the time and it simply isn't true.

    China Bubble

    Steve Forbes: So what is your bold prediction for the future, now?

    Jeremy Grantham In the long run, things will be back to normal. In the short run, I think China will be a bitter disappointment. I can't believe that the hardest job in economic history--guiding a vast empire of people and assets, growing at double-digit industrial production rates--can be anything but difficult. And they've had much less experience than most capitalist countries.

    And they have been, because of 20 years of wonderfully good luck and favorable circumstances, we have all been seduced into believing that there walk on water. And I don't think they do. I think they have a terrible situation, which will be under stress from all sides.

    They export 40% of their GDP. The global economy gives a passably good impression of having run, head down, into a very thick cement wall. And I can't imagine that their exports will be anything other than mildly disastrous. And yet, two months ago, the official forecast was still that it wouldn't drop below nine. I mean, that is at least faintly ludicrous.

    Steve Forbes: What are the other fault lines you see in China?

    Jeremy Grantham I'm not a China expert, so I'd be happy to leave it.

    Steve Forbes: Well, the experts weren't, either.

    Jeremy Grantham They have a very small consumer sector, so it's hard to stimulate that. A very large capital spending sector. How low does an interest rate have to get to build another steel mill when there are seven up the road empty, not operating. It's not an easy situation, I think. Direct spending on roads and so on is something that might work.

    But can they do it big enough, since they're already doing it at a dramatic level? Can they increase it enough to rev their economy? I don't think so. I think their economy will be very flattish for a while. And that will be a bitter shock to everybody who's learned to depend on them.

    Steve Forbes: And one last question on China. Their financial sector, their stock market--in your mind, is that still very primitive? Does it really provide capital for genuine entrepreneurs, or is it still all still?

    Jeremy Grantham I can't. I really am not an expert. You look back, and what you do see about the Chinese market is that it was again, a classic bubble. It's a beautiful shape, symmetrical, it rises, it peaks and it drops slightly faster than it went up, which is actually quite typical. And it was a great opportunity that I regret not having capitalized on more than I did.

    Steve Forbes: But now you're staying away.

    Jeremy Grantham Well, now it's completed the obvious part of the bubble. It's back to kind of trend line. It may not be, you know, on a long-term perspective, particularly more vulnerable than others. Even though their economy will be disappointing in the short-term, of course, it has enormous long-term potential. I do think emerging is the place to be in the long run.

    I think it has all the indicators that will be required for the next bubble. It has wonderful top-lying growth relative to an increasingly sluggish developed world. It has a very high savings rate and investment rate. And I think it will become a cliché how passé we all are--the U.S., the U.K., Europe, Japan.

    We're running out of people. The number of man-hours offered to the markets have been dropping without anyone talking about it for 10 or 12 years. Collectively, the G7 is way off its old trend line. By next year, the U.S. will be 14, 15 points behind its long-term trend rates. It's never come close to [that] since the Great Depression.

    Steve Forbes: Trend line, meaning?

    Jeremy Grantham Just to take the 100-year battleship trend line, which never deviated at 3.4 or something like this. The Great Depression, it went back to trend very quickly. And now, we have been drifting off for this is year 13 of drifting below trend. We're simply getting more mature, and all the other developed countries are doing the same thing. But emerging has not fallen off its trend line, and has a lot of people coming into the workforce and a huge savings rate.

    I think it will do very well. Put it this way, it will appeal to investors. It may not make any more earnings per share, in other words. I'm not talking about true fundamental value. I'm talking about how people buy stocks. They love top-line growth. If they're going to grow at four-and-a-half and we're going to slow down to two-and-a-half, it's going to look like a no-brainer.
    So, I think the next big event in emerging will be that they will sell it at a big P/E premium over us developed countries, who are suffering from a terminal case of middle-aged spread, I think.

    Steve Forbes: Well, clearly, the way you look at life is anything but a no-brainer. Thank you very much.

    Jeremy Grantham Thank you. I enjoyed it.

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