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Chat On Koon Yew Yin's Investment In Xingquan Again

Tuesday, May 24, 2011

Posted yesterday evening: Update On Koon Yew Yin's Investment In Xingquan

I received one great set of comments from xinzhang.

  • You can check for yourself with Koon Yew Yin if he is still holding Xingquan at yewyin@gmail.com I have been informed that he transferred those shares to his daughter. This is an information which I got from himself. He is also holding Xingquan through his wife and other close relatives. The total holdings might be more than the 5.5% quoted. The point of him dumping Xingquan does not arise. However, the apparent dismal price movement of this counter had many riled up in anger.

    I have read the comment posted by Gwyn Welsh on Xingquan in your blog recently. He had pointed out pertinent points which are of course facts. The management of Xingquan has to increase dividends to its shareholders in order to instil confidence among shareholders and potential investors. The confidence among investors now on Chinese stocks are very low.

    Xingquan has to show that they are above the rest.
xinzhang: Hello again.

Now sending an email to Mr. Koon is probably a very good suggestion for those interested in FOLLOWING Mr.Koon Yew Yin's investment in Xingquan.

Point that I wanted to make is a rather simple fact that Mr.Koon by himself, his name, he is NO longer a substantial shareholder because he no longer holds the minimum amount required to be classified as a substantial shareholder.

Which means, he can either buy or sell his stake without the need to informing Bursa Malaysia.

Which puts investors who had adapted the follow Mr. Koon investing strategy in a dark.

Now the irony of Mr. Koon's transfer of shares is that Xingquan shares had declined rather sharply since then.

So how? Is Mr.Koon still holding these shares in Xingquan? Did he buy more for his family members? Or has he reduced his shareholdings?

And yes, I guess sending him an email might help.

Anyway, back in Nov 2010: on the posting More Balanced View On Xingquan, I highlight now again parts of your comments.


  • ..... Xingquan is lacking on dividend as correctly pointed out by Mosea. Yes, for any investor, dividend is something that they are looking up to apart from price appreciation. But Xingquan has caveat this by presenting to all and sundery that they are paying from 10% to 20% of its PAT.

    Xingquan should be paying up for the expansion completed recently. And the issue is how much business have they managed to get for this new plant.

    And my last advise is will there be more funds interested in this counter apart from Mr. Koon Yew Yin. Having Koon Yew Yin on board is a good thing boosting investors' confidence.


Firstly the last statement. Sorry but not to be rude or arrogant but it's now May 2011. Despite the known fact that Mr. Koon is an investor of Xingquan, Xingquan shares have not fared well. So how?

On the issue of dividends again. You said today "The management of Xingquan has to increase dividends to its shareholders in order to instil confidence among shareholders and potential investors. "

On March 2011, CIMB had a report titled "Xingqian: Looking to plant a bigger footprint."

Here's a screen shot.



Apparently Xingquan is still holding very firm on its dividend payout at 10-20% of net profit, a point which you had already highlighted back in Nov 2010.

Now let's consider the updated tables again, from the posting recently, A Quick Look At Xingquan's Earnings



Now with profits not booming (compared on a yearly basis) and as mentioned in CIMB's latest reports, Xingquan, is hit by high material costs. One has to question where's the growth? Now the growth issue for Xingquan is extremely important because Xingquan had insisted it still wants to carry on with its TDR. Without growth and a future dilution of earnings caused by the issue of shares in the TDR programe, future eps will shrink.

Balance sheet cash. Cash is shrinking but most important thing is interest received. As mentioned several times by blogger snowball, why is the interest so low? Why is Xingquan getting so low value for its money? From the table above, we know that at the end of 4th Q FY2010, Xingquan had some 280 million cash. Nine months later, cash left is only RM 168.850 million. 168 million is a lot of money, yes? But from the cash flow, Xingquan said it's only getting some 563 thousand in interest. Err.. why so little value for their money?

And with cash depleting and the management hell bent on expanding and even rebranding everything, how to expect more dividends?

Having said that, yes, I really agree with you. If the management would show the investors the moolah, this stock could generate some investing interests!

Just my flawed opinions.

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Update On Koon Yew Yin's Investment In Xingquan

It's so understandable that many likes to follow the investing moves of their stock market heroes. If the stock guru buys, then they will buy.

That's how it is.

Now I am not here to argue whether this is correct or wrong but let's reconsider one popular example again.

Back in April 2011, I posted the following posting: Koon Yew Yin's Investment In Xingquan.

Why Xingquan again? Well Xingquan is one of them many Chinese listed stock selling at a cheap valuation and Koon Yew Yin is a famed local investor.

Now Koon Yew Yin's investment in Xingquan was first mentioned in the posting Regarding Xingquan's Cash And Dividends



  • ch said...
    Dear All,Yes, the issues brought up by Moolah, Mosea and Snowball are primary concern(s) if one is invested into Xingquan. The dynamics of Chinese stocks and business community are always tinged with mysterious circumstances. Be that as it may, the Chinese are rapidly becoming the world economic superpower. One thing I know about Xingquan is that a shrewd investor by the name of Koon Yew Yin is a minor majority shareholder. Please refer to Bursa Malaysia under change in shareholdings column. This is the same man who has years of experience in stock investing and the same person who pledged to donate RM30 million to UTAR (but was turned down by MCA for reason(s) best known to them. He is a smart share investor and invested a sizeable amount in Xingquan. Guess he should know something about Xingquan that we do
Now if one surfs the Bursa website for more information, they would find the following announcement: Notice of Interest Sub. S-hldr (29A) - KOON YEW YIN

Date interest acquired : 27/09/2010
No of securities : 15,422,100

After the acquisition, KYY has

Direct (units) : 16,901,000
Direct (%) : 5.5

But there is no price stated. Shares were said to be purchased on Sep but the announcement was made on 19th Nov 2010.

From Star biz website: http://biz.thestar.com.my/marketwatch/charts/BizHistory.asp?submit=1&scode=5155, all we one can do is to make a guestimate of the acquired stock price. And if one use the average from Sep 15 to Sep 25, perhaps the average price is around 1.60.

Perhaps.

Is this correct? Or is this wrong? I do not know exactly but I would be flawed to use a guesstimate price of around 1.60+



Posted the next day on 20 Nov 2010: More Balanced View On Xingquan

And I mentioned ....

So much interest.

Well... for the record...



ps: how many quarterly earnings has Xingquan reported since listing?
ps/ps: how has Xingquan reallly fared?
ps/ps/ps: has Xingquan's perfomance so far being up to par? Has it beat 'expectations'? or has it grossly perform below expectations.

How? I just raised some simple questions.

On Jan 2011: Notice of Person Ceasing (29C) - Koon Yew Yin

Mr. Koon Yew Yin did a share transfer of 4,000,000 shares and with this share transfer he is no longer consider a substantial shareholder.

Which means he does not have to report to Bursa Malaysia anymore in regards to his shareholding in Xingquan. Has he sold some? Does anyone know? Or who has he transfer his shares to? Or did he top up more shares in this other account?

So how? If you are following KYY, how now?

And as everyone knows, Xingquan had fared rather poorly since Nov 2010.



So how?

Some even dare insinuate KYY called a buy call at 1.10. Rather dubious because since Nov 2010, the lowest Xingquan traded was 1.12.

ps: Do refer last month's posting: Koon Yew Yin's Investment In Xingquan.

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Koon Yew Yin's Investment In Xingquan.

Monday, April 4, 2011

Got an off topic comment from the posting "Why Perisai Is Rated So High By The Local Analysts?"


  • gwynwelsh said... Sorry out of topic. But I could not help to point out to all and sundry that Coastal went so high from the low of RM2.25. It was strongly suggested by Koon Yew Yin, the same person who holds 32 million Xingquan shares. If he is right on Coastal, I believe he will to on Xingquan.

Xingquan had been blogged many times before too. Take your pick of posting for your reading pleasure. :)


Hmmm... I actually undertstand very well your thinking. It's normal and it's common.

Many do like to look for their stock market hero and they reckon it's a safe bet to follow their stock selections.

And I have seen some who are rewarded with such a strategy.

And I have seen some who crashed and burned badly.

Yes, we are all aware of Koon Yew Yin INVESTMENT in Xingquan.

And for the record, in Nov 2010's posting More Balanced View On Xingquan.

Do read the number of comments stating the fact that Koon Yew Yin had invested in Xingquan. Xingquan then was around 1.60+.

Personally? I gave the following remarks back in Nov 2010.


  • ps: how many quarterly earnings has Xingquan reported since listing?

  • ps/ps: how has Xingquan reallly fared?

  • ps/ps/ps: has Xingquan's performance so far being up to par? Has it beat 'expectations'? or has it grossly perform below expectations.

Fast forward to Xingquan's latest review posting Review Of Xingquan's Earnings on Feb 2011.

The questions raised then:


  1. Yeah, there's visible growth in sales revenue....

  2. but where's the profit???

  3. Cash... yeah... capex.... but... it shrank so much????

  4. And then.... the ..... increase in receivables .... is simply .... crazy!!!

Of course some did not agree. See postings subsequently.


And so here we are. Yet another comment stating Koon Yew Yin's investment in Xingquan.

Now.. I am not here to judge Koon Yew Yin investment. Please get this issue correct first.

And if any reader wants to adopt the follow their stock market hero strategy, please do so by all means. Yes, please remember I am not your friendly investment advisor. :)

However, what these series of postings merely offers a second opinion on the justification if one were to invest in Xingquan based on one's own logical reasoning.

Yes, let's put our brain cells to work and think the justification behind an investment in Xingquan itself. Yes, let's take the Koon Yew Yin equation out of the picture and ask ourself a simple question: Is there really a justification to invest in Xingquan?

1. The stock is trading at a cheap PE multiple.

A. Correct or wrong, all Chinese stocks listed abroad are all traded at a low pe multiple. Take the example of Taisan which is listed on the SGX ( see Regarding Xingquan And Taisan ) and as one can seen in the example of Xingquan and Taisan, low PE stocks can still sink quite a bit!

B. Now, if and when Xingquan's TDR is listed, Xingquan's share will increase from 307,330,000 to 353,429,500 once the TDR is issued. Xingquan's EPS WILL be diluted from the TDR.

2. Is there growth in earnings?

Yes, when can buy value and if there is value, perhaps growth in earnings is not important. Very true.

But because there is possible future dilution in earnings per share once Xingquan completes its TDR, this growth in earnings becomes important!

Think about it for a moment.

Say the eps is 10 sen and there is no growth. Flat earnings.

Now if the numbers of shares increase by 15%, the eps will shrink by about 15%.

And if the EPS shrinks by that much, the stock would be valued lower, sometimes much lower since the company would be deemed unattractive due to lack of earnings.

So does Xingquan have earnings growth so far? Is there any indication? My answer based on Feb 2011 posting, Review Of Xingquan's Earnings, is no. 3. Is there balance sheet weakness?

Again, my answer based on Feb 2011 posting, Review Of Xingquan's Earnings, is no.

4. Are there issues with the company?

Company had tons of money but as pointed by snowball, the company is earnings very low interest for their money. Why? This is an important issue to address.

Company had lots of money but most of the money had been used in their store expansion and more incredibly they did a whole brand makeover. And they want to raise more money using TDR.

And if one is a minority shareholder, won't one be left wondering what is happening?

And what about the dividends?

How?

Does Xingquan looks like a top notch investment idea?

Think about it....

Ah.. Some would argue that perhaps all these reasonings are not important. A waste of time. Most important is that one follows the stock market hero.

Well... all I can say is.... good luck.

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More Balanced View On Xingquan

Saturday, November 20, 2010

From the posting: Regarding Xingquan's Cash And Dividends

  • ch said...
    Dear All,Yes, the issues brought up by Moolah, Mosea and Snowball are primary concern(s) if one is invested into Xingquan. The dynamics of Chinese stocks and business community are always tinged with mysterious circumstances. Be that as it may, the Chinese are rapidly becoming the world economic superpower. One thing I know about Xingquan is that a shrewd investor by the name of Koon Yew Yin is a minor majority shareholder. Please refer to Bursa Malaysia under change in shareholdings column. This is the same man who has years of experience in stock investing and the same person who pledged to donate RM30 million to UTAR (but was turned down by MCA for reason(s) best known to them. He is a smart share investor and invested a sizeable amount in Xingquan. Guess he should know something about Xingquan that we don't.

    You have hit the right note i.e. we should not follow the herd mentality but then again, this news which was fished out from the Bursa website goes to show that a multi-millionaire has invested into Xingquan. He is rich for his smartness in stock-investing or other reason(s) but one thing placed right in front of us is that he has sizeable amount of money in Xingquan. As I have said earlier, is it that he knows something about Xingquan which we don't? I am not saying that your observations and of those of Mosea and Snowball's on Xingquan were wrong nor neither I am trying to convince others to buy Xingquan but the emergence of Mr. Koon as a major minority shareholder is something we should try to understand. Surely, he is not considering to donate the RM30 million turned down by MCA to Xingquan. Or is he? And I believe philanthropist like him has some reputation to live up to. It is like Francis Yeoh is now into the Wimax biz which might be foreign to him 10 years ago but surely he is not investing in the biz just to keep him busy. It is all for making money. Similarly, I believe this is true to Koon Yew Yin too on his foray into Xingquan.

  • xinzhang said...

    I guess we should look into Xingquan in a more perspective manner. Snowball was right that the interest rate regime in China is low and it is something which no one could argue or debate. So, in other words, the Chinese is encouraging people to take money out and invest and spur the economy.

    The apparent higher receivables reported by Xingquan is definitely a cause of concern but not to an extent where we should just ignore the prospect of investing into this company. Question like is the receivables are within its credit term? I have no idea as to its ageing list but surely they are not selling on cash basis. Do they have any bad debts? If no, then the high receivables are not a concern as you will have higher receivables as business grow. The important thing is to check if they are within credit limit and term.

    Xingquan is lacking on dividend as correctly pointed out by Mosea. Yes, for any investor, dividend is something that they are looking up to apart from price appreciation. But Xingquan has caveat this by presenting to all and sundery that they are paying from 10% to 20% of its PAT.

    Xingquan should be paying up for the expansion completed recently. And the issue is how much business have they managed to get for this new plant.

    And my last advise is will there be more funds interested in this counter apart from Mr. Koon Yew Yin. Having Koon Yew Yin on board is a good thing boosting investors' confidence.

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  • panaceaasia said...
    Dear Moola,Thank you for your excellent blog. I too note that Mr Koon has a substantial stake in Xingquan. Mr Koon is Malaysia's Warren Buffett. He invested in Supermax about 2 years ago at rock bottom prices before analysts went mad on the rubber gloves sector. It appears Mr Koon has made millions investing in shares. My money is with Mr Koon. You can spend your time arguing about the low returns on cash, which I applaud as higher than market returns would indictae a higher level of risk. Xingquan offers an undervalued exposure into the second largest economy in the world. I followed Mr Koon by buying Supermax and am now buying Xingquan. I bought a new BMW 523 with half of my Supermax profit. It's lovely, indeed the Ultimate Driving Machine.

*** these are comments received and they are highlighted for the BALANCED view only since I had already made some comments in earlier postings***

*** I know nothing what will happen the stock or the markets. ***

21/11/10

Past postings:



22/11/10

And from the other side...

  • snowball said... .
    Dear all,

    Yes. Mr. Koon may be a savvy investor, but, Mr. Buffett can make mistake, too. Some say TTB is also the "Warren Buffett of Malaysia", but to those who follow him into Meico, you will probably be still losing your money. Unless you are a good friend of Mr. Koon and he can tell you what is inside his portfolio, you could not replicate his above average return.

    The cash is not just earning a low rate, which I would not bother as it is the Chinese company way of doing things, regardless whether we like it or not. It is earning a suspiciously low rate, that's the concern.

    Mr.Koon would have probably been there or at least sent someone there to check out the place and found the place is in proper order. But, the shoe business in China, is still extremely competitive. If I were an investor, I would probably study the competitve dynamics of the Chinese shoe market and how their addnice brand stack up against others.
    Shoe is a very labour intensive business. Xinquan as well as other shoe makers are churning out very decent margins. But, investor always need to consider the labour cost. I think it forms at least 20% of Xinquan cost structure. Whether a Chinese wage increase will hurt their margins, I think investors should find out. There are a lot of pressure on lifting the minimum wage in China. Based on analyst report, the wage that Xinquan workers is earning, I feel is not out of line with the general numbers in China, which means, a revision is likely. But, with such a competitive sector, can they pass on the increase? Some may argue that the increase would likely to bring about increase in demand, but, I would add that you need to build a new plant to support such demand increase,so, more money there.

    Xinquan is pursuing some massive distribution channel expansion, whenever there is something new going on, investor should be wary about their expansion plans and see how it goes. Even starbucks got it wrong with their expansion. There are very little information out there on how the rate of expansion is going and etc, whether the incremental investment actually brings about good returns. If this company is based in Malaysia, we would probably be able to figure out whether the expansion works or not, but, it is too far away, so, there is much more problem when it comes to lack of information.

    There are a lot of good story out there about the integrity of this company owners, but, story is story. A good manager can bring you so far, you still need to study the industry dynamics. You need to know how addnice stack up against more established names like Li Ning, anta and hongxing etc Plus, all the things that we hear about this company is all hearsay, we do not know the person.

So much interest.

Well... for the record...







ps: how many quarterly earnings has Xingquan reported since listing?
ps/ps: how has Xingquan reallly fared?
ps/ps/ps: has Xingquan's perfomance so far being up to par? Has it beat 'expectations'? or has it grossly perform below expectations.

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